23-02-2002 13:42									#31
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quote: Originally posted by JohnT People in real life that I know are gay: Starchild Mr. Fun Asher (bi, I think) red_jon (bi, I think) My wife's cousin 3 co-workers, two in the office, one out in the field My brother (?) Actually, I think he's asexual, but...

What were your first clues, John?

But seriously, people argue over percentages of population that is gay. It usually ranges from 3% to 10%. I tend to believe that 5% of the world population is gay. Who knows the percentage that are bisexual.

And just because you do not know a friend who is openly gay, that does not mean you have a friend or family member who might be a closeted bisexual or gay/lesbian. Remember that -- you might have a friend or family member who is closeted and not even realize it.

	23-02-2002 14:08									#32
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I've known gays and bis in high school (albeit, not in mine). Of course, this is Austin we're talking about.

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I think homosexuals are more common in University than in the real world. The number of open gays is between the number at Uni and the number at High School. In Uni lot of people experiment, and they might be gay for a while, but as they grow older realize it was just experimentation. Because there are a HELL of a lot of homosexuals are university that just don't match the population at large.

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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer nah i mean for real i heard that 10% of males are gay but I have never known anyone who was gay or bisexual or nothing like that. Maybe its just cause i live in philly or something but no one is gay. I aint ever know anyone gay. is this strange? do yall know people in real life who is gay? thanks

I always got the impression that homosexuals were fairly prominent in Philadelphia, but perhaps I am wrong. It just depends on what kind of circles you hang around in I suppose, at uni you will be exposed to lots of different people. I know a good number of gay/bi people, and 10% of the population wouldn't surprise me particularly.

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	23-02-2002 18:53									#35
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun What were your first clues, John?

There's something about your avatar...

BTW, glad to have you back!

	23-02-2002 20:02									#36
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That "No great leader was gay" line is a classic. Three English kings were definitely gay, one of which was Richard Lionheart. Another 3 were probably gay, including our one-time patron saint Edward the Confessor.

Of the Civ3 avatars, Alexander the Great dabbled on both sides of the fence, so it looks like games imitate life.

As for Albert Speer's lack of exposure to gays? I believe he's still at school, and schools are about as homophobic an environment as you can get.

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Imran, get it into your thick skull, homosexuality is not a choice. Perhaps a few people do "experiment", but they're certainly not going to be the ones who you notice are gay.

Personally, I'd like to think that you notice that people are gay at University because it's open and liberal, rather than close-minded and bigoted.

	23-02-2002 21:46									#38
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quote: Originally posted by Bugs ****ing Bunny That "No great leader was gay" line is a classic. Three English kings were definitely gay, one of which was Richard Lionheart. Another 3 were probably gay, including our one-time patron saint Edward the Confessor. Of the Civ3 avatars, Alexander the Great dabbled on both sides of the fence, so it looks like games imitate life. As for Albert Speer's lack of exposure to gays? I believe he's still at school, and schools are about as homophobic an environment as you can get.

Not to mention Julius Caesar's more than dabbling on either side of the fence.

	23-02-2002 22:03									#39
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Heck, good chance that all the great Greek leaders dabbled on both sides. That and hetaira (highly educated courtesants) were sexed. for them. You wouldn't want to be a 30 something greek with a good income and all, and then go gaga in front of your young innocent bride?

And Blisterz. Whatever works for you. You love her. What other people think of that is rather moot. As long as you're sure it's what YOU want, and it is what SHE wants, you're right, and the others are wrong.

	23-02-2002 23:17									#40
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There are some historians today, who argue whether President James Buchanan of the 1850's, was gay. We're just not sure if he was heterosexual, or homosexual. Or maybe bisexual??

A modern community leader who was gay and introduced important propositions for both, heterosexual and homosexual residents, was Harvey Milk of the 1970's.

Today, Rosie O'Donell, who is a popular and widely known celebrity, and until recently, had her own talk show, is a lesbian.

There are also prominent men in Wall Street whom I cannot remember their names who are gay in today's business world.

The first director of the FBI when it was established in the early 20th century was gay and had a relationship with another man, who was the assistant director of the FBI.

These are only some of which I remember right now.

	23-02-2002 23:48									#41
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quote: Today, Rosie O'Donell, who is a popular and widely known celebrity, and until recently, had her own talk show, is a lesbian.

That's showbiz. Who knows if she's telling the truth, perhaps she's just promoting herself and her extremely popular show (just look at Ellen D. and Anne H., portia de rossi). A lot of "from straight to gay" stars recently, don't you think?

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Is that a surprise? You can't throw anything at a group of actors without it bouncing off several homosexuals. Many of our greatest actors are gay, though most aren't "out".

	24-02-2002 01:12									#43
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Here in Racine...there are very few homo's. Its a small city...you say hello to everyone who walks by. I see faces I recognize everyday...usaully. I do not know 1 gay person. Im not doubting there here. But I havent seen 2 guys holding hands down the street, yet! In this city of 30,000. Probably a few hundred...I venture to guess.


Also that 10% is a bit high and rounded off. I think the real figures were about 7-8% of the General population.

And it all depends on where you are. Really...Urban area's tend to have higher concentrations,so goes the trend.

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San Fransico and Boston , are for a lack of a better, America's Gayest cities!

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Noone in my age I know of has yet came out. Actually, it's pretty weird, Greater Gothenburg has a pop of ~750.000. It will be very interesting, however. Actually, I and some friends have placed bets on who will step out of the closet...

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Hi everybody... after a big disaster with my computer where I had tons of screw-ups I finally got it working.

I just want to say I think homosexuality/bisexuality all has to do with choice/environment. Nothing purely on the genetic level. I really don't care because it doesn't affect me as I don't know any gays/bis... I haven't seen any in Buenos Aires either ever. A city of 13 million and not one. I got a feeling the percentage that are out is less than 1% here.

(BTW, I also want to apologize for that comment I made about firing squads or whatever it was)

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That's okay, Gianny, not everybody can be right.

So why did you choose it for a while and switch back? And back, then back again?

	24-02-2002 01:19									#47
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Uh-Oh.

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quote: I think homosexuals are more common in University than in the real world. The number of open gays is between the number at Uni and the number at High School. In Uni lot of people experiment, and they might be gay for a while, but as they grow older realize it was just experimentation. Because there are a HELL of a lot of homosexuals are university that just don't match the population at large.

Uni's yes, HS no way.....kids can be very cruel. And the word tolerance is not in the highschool vocbulary. You see stupid movies like "Remembering the Titans" (was that the name of teh movie?) with the gay kid.


That is such a load of crap That kid would of been beaten to death......


If you are gay, HS is probably not the greatest place to come out of the closet. Tho...my expierences some years ago HS may not be the same. usaully you picked on and beat the gay kids up....of course the word "fag" was used so often, who knew what the word really meant

	24-02-2002 01:22									#49
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quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo Hi everybody... after a big disaster with my computer where I had tons of screw-ups I finally got it working. I just want to say I think homosexuality/bisexuality all has to do with choice/environment. Nothing purely on the genetic level. I really don't care because it doesn't affect me as I don't know any gays/bis... I haven't seen any in Buenos Aires either ever. A city of 13 million and not one. I got a feeling the percentage that are out is less than 1% here. (BTW, I also want to apologize for that comment I made about firing squads or whatever it was)

What about your gay friend that you used to post about?

	24-02-2002 01:23									#50
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quote: Originally posted by Asher That's okay, Gianny, not everybody can be right.

Especially when it comes to outdated hardware drivers that screwed up my computer.

quote: So why did you choose it for a while and switch back? And back, then back again?

Look, I said my opinion and don't need false information said. If you take a look at my title it says "Spanish Ultra-Nationalists", meaning I don't have tolerance towards gays. I just don't want to say that right now.

Anyways, I might not be here for long. Got a website to work on.

	24-02-2002 01:24									#51
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quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo Especially when it comes to outdated hardware drivers that screwed up my computer.

You had no idea. It's okay!

quote: Look, I said my opinion and don't need false information said. If you take a look at my title it says "Spanish Ultra-Nationalists", meaning I don't have tolerance towards gays. I just don't want to say that right now. Anyways, I might not be here for long. Got a website to work on.

I was wondering which persona you were using today.

	24-02-2002 01:25									#52
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quote: Originally posted by Bugs ****ing Bunny What about your gay friend that you used to post about?

I am strictly talking about Argentinians... even ask Hodad... he will tell you his country has zero tolerance towards gays.

	24-02-2002 01:26									#53
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quote: Originally posted by Asher You had no idea. It's okay!

I don't want to talk about it, I nearly threw my monitor out the window.

quote: I was wondering which persona you were using today.

Wake up, I had the title Spanish Nationalists for a long time.

	24-02-2002 01:27									#54
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quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo Wake up, I had the title Spanish Nationalists for a long time.

You know, by definition Nationalist doesn't mean homophobe.

You have hope yet.

	24-02-2002 01:27									#55
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Latin Machismo. They don't always walk it like they talk it.

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quote: Originally posted by Asher You know, by definition Nationalist doesn't mean homophobe. You have hope yet.

Yeah it does.

And hope? Tolerating people who have nothing to do with me?

	24-02-2002 01:47									#57
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So, Gianni, you don't remember talking about someone who you, at one time, refered to as your boyfriend?

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quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo Hi everybody... after a big disaster with my computer where I had tons of screw-ups I finally got it working. I just want to say I think homosexuality/bisexuality all has to do with choice/environment. Nothing purely on the genetic level. I really don't care because it doesn't affect me as I don't know any gays/bis... I haven't seen any in Buenos Aires either ever. A city of 13 million and not one. I got a feeling the percentage that are out is less than 1% here. (BTW, I also want to apologize for that comment I made about firing squads or whatever it was)

My favorite nemesis -- unless Kaak replaces you as my favorite nemesis.

Anyway, I strongly believe that the percentage of gay population in the world is 5%. Just because you do not know of any gays where you live, Giancarlo, does not mean there are any.

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quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo Hi everybody... after a big disaster with my computer where I had tons of screw-ups I finally got it working. I just want to say I think homosexuality/bisexuality all has to do with choice/environment. Nothing purely on the genetic level. I really don't care because it doesn't affect me as I don't know any gays/bis... I haven't seen any in Buenos Aires either ever. A city of 13 million and not one. I got a feeling the percentage that are out is less than 1% here. (BTW, I also want to apologize for that comment I made about firing squads or whatever it was)

My favorite nemesis -- unless Kaak replaces you as my favorite nemesis.

Anyway, I strongly believe that the percentage of gay population in the world is 5%. Just because you do not know of any gays where you live, Giancarlo, does not mean there are none.

Will one of the moderators please delete the duplicate post of mine?

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quote: Originally posted by connorkimbro So, Gianni, you don't remember talking about someone who you, at one time, refered to as your boyfriend?

I knew the Cubans were upgrading their Spy service to hack into my account!

quote: Anyway, I strongly believe that the percentage of gay population in the world is 5%. Just because you do not know of any gays where you live, Giancarlo, does not mean there are none.

Well I don't know of any here. I really don't care either. As long as they don't mess with me they won't get any problems.