28-02-2002 10:27									#211
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No, not every country uses illegal tactics. Many countries feel like playing real sports, and see the potential scandal arising from one of their athletes doping as more harmful than winning a dozen medals is beneficial. You get caught cheating, you pay the price. Your anger right now should probably be directed inwards in re the doping scandal. Lazutlina and the other Russian got to keep their medals from earlier, despite the fact that doping specialists are of the opinion that the test results from later on were sufficient physical proof that they were doped for earlier races. They caught a free ride on 4 medals (IIRC), so don't try and ***** about some of the more minor issues.

Russia's Olympic system obviously suffers from a doping problem. It's time to admit it and get down to curing it before the next games make a joke of any medals they take home.

	28-02-2002 10:32									#212
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quote: Originally posted by Ming That they lobby for their own self=interests... sure they do. I would expect no different... as far as using any means, including dirty means.. NO... absolutely not.

You are so naive.

	28-02-2002 10:35									#213
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My God it takes the whole of Apolyton to keep ONE (ok 2) Russian down and they still can't do it!.


Facts: Russians got caught

Question: Is there a possibility that americans were not even checked or were warned before or if they were checked they were not reported or if they were not reported it was because they had better - undetectable drugs?

Answer: Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes


Was there a bigger scandal than Salt Lake City?

No.

Did the Russians ever complained before even when they were losing?

No.


Was there a SPECIAL reason for the americans to win BIG in these games?

Yes they had been blown up by Osama Bin Laden and needed self - reassersion.

Simple.


Of course I didn't watch anything except 2 minutes of curling but hey I can speculate can't I?

	28-02-2002 10:37									#214
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I give up. Your athletes were caught cheating, so you simply say everybody else does it, yet don't provide proof of the statement. This is my last reply to you, as it's becoming obvious that you're a Ferrous Cranus.

	28-02-2002 10:39									#215
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paiktis, the whole of apolyton has utterly decimated him in this "argument"; he simply restarts the discussion at his old point without acknowledging the fact that he's making baseless accusations.

	28-02-2002 10:42									#216
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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse You get caught cheating, you pay the price. Your anger right now should probably be directed inwards in re the doping scandal. Lazutlina and the other Russian got to keep their medals from earlier, despite the fact that doping specialists are of the opinion that the test results from later on were sufficient physical proof that they were doped for earlier races. They caught a free ride on 4 medals (IIRC), so don't try and ***** about some of the more minor issues. Russia's Olympic system obviously suffers from a doping problem. It's time to admit it and get down to curing it before the next games make a joke of any medals they take home.

Why everyone of you always point on two of our ladies who was caught? Our protest not about them, but about ostruction of our entire team.
Should I remind that not only Russian found the ref's of those games are acted unfair? KrazyHorse you have to remember the thread about USA vs. Canada women hockey final.
Few quotes from this thread:

quote: by Asher: She should have dropped the puck in the 3rd period due to the 15 second rule, but instead she pauses play and skates over to the US bench to give them a "warning". Then they re-do the faceoff and the US scores. Such bullshit. At least we won still!

quote: by November Adam: November Adam CANADA BEAT THE REF'S! CANADA BEATS THE REFS! REF"S GET SILVER! oh sorry the US GET SILVER!

quote: by Osweld: I believe Canada got more penalties in that game then they did in the entire competition The ref was complete bullshit. What brainchild thought of making an American ref do a US/Canada game? Seriously?

And this is not the full list, you participated in that thread and must remember it.
You see, when unfair ref's hurt Canadians, it's horrible and unfair. When the Russians saying the same, they are paranoids who sees conspiracy everywhere.

	28-02-2002 10:48									#217
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Yeah well the Russians still loaded themselves up with drugs, and then whined a lot. We here locals don't like druggie-whiners.

	28-02-2002 10:54									#218
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 My God it takes the whole of Apolyton to keep ONE (ok 2) Russian down and they still can't do it!.

Well-done.
Welcome to our club,
They have 3 people for bashing now.
I thik you've sighned a warrant for yourself.
We will never surender.

	28-02-2002 10:57									#219
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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse I give up.

Does it mean that I win?

quote: This is my last reply to you, as it's becoming obvious that you're a Ferrous Cranus.

Thanks for the link.
May I call you a "therapist" now?

	28-02-2002 11:12									#220
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 Was there a SPECIAL reason for the americans to win BIG in these games? Yes they had been blown up by Osama Bin Laden and needed self - reassersion. Simple.

Just want to add one thing:
They made a political show from those Olympic Games.
When Olympic Games were in Soviet Union in 1980. Did anyone can said that Russians raised their flag or singed a hymn of SU on the beggining/closing ceremony? No we didn't do so. Because it's disrespect to other countries to do so. No one before Americans done so.
And I'm agreed they wanted to win very hard.

	01-03-2002 16:02									#221
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serb, that wasn't just any flag, it was the 9-11 flag. Our country is in a state of mourning and recovery. Your insensitivity is appaling.

	01-03-2002 17:02									#222
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quote: Originally posted by Kaak serb, that wasn't just any flag, it was the 9-11 flag. Our country is in a state of mourning and recovery. Your insensitivity is appaling.

That's it.
It prooves that you made a political action from those Games, while it must be PURE sports events.

	01-03-2002 17:05									#223
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typical ruskie comment

	01-03-2002 17:06									#224
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quote: It prooves that you made a political action from those Games, while it must be PURE sports events.

I would venture to say that it has never been a PURE sports event. Not even the games in roman times...

	01-03-2002 17:10									#225
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quote: Originally posted by Kaak I would venture to say that it has never been a PURE sports event. Not even the games in roman times...

I don't know about Roman times. I've always though that Olympic Games was invented in Ancient Greece

	01-03-2002 17:16									#226
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quote: Originally posted by Kaak I would venture to say that it has never been a PURE sports event. Not even the games in roman times...

Yes, but NEVER politization of Olympic games has such scale, this time you have a special desire to win, and... whow... it's a miracle first time in history USA become a third in winter Olympic. Don't tell me that you don't use ANY means to acheive victory. I know that is not true, and will try to proove it in court.

	01-03-2002 17:38									#227
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Serb, we played by the rules. You russians are the ones who broke them. You reap what you sow

	01-03-2002 17:39									#228
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invented in greece yes, but played in roman times as well...

	01-03-2002 17:54									#229
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quote: Originally posted by Kaak invented in greece yes, but played in roman times as well...

Never hear about this, I though this tradition was abandon in roman times.

quote: Serb, we played by the rules. You russians are the ones who broke them.

Really Are we are alone in our protests? As I said will be defend our position in court, till then I don't want to disscus it anymore.
See you in court.

	01-03-2002 18:16									#230
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***And now ladies and gentlemen, late breaking news! We have a new world record for the world's shortest judicial hearing. The utter rejection of the Russian plea to reward their cheating athletes was momentarily slowed only the medics having to rush in and give the judge Oxygen...Now, a word from the judge:

Judge: "Yes, well i'm not really sure what happened. I just started laughing so uncontrollably because this is the most rediculous thing i have ever heard! next thing I know, i've got on an oxygen mask with medics standing around me. Don't worry tho, I was well enough to through this childish banter to the dogs...NOT IN MY COURTROOM..."


**and there you have it folks. Always bringing you the late breaking news, stay tuned to KAAK on your FM dial...

	01-03-2002 19:50									#231
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quote: Originally posted by Kaak . Your insensitivity is appaling.

Duh! his insensitivity, obtuseness, and all around obnoxiousness are the pint of his "existence". It was obvious since "his" first few posts some time ago that serb is a DL created for trolling.

	02-03-2002 00:54									#232
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quote: Originally posted by Kaak ***And now ladies and gentlemen, late breaking news! We have a new world record for the world's shortest judicial hearing. The utter rejection of the Russian plea to reward their cheating athletes was momentarily slowed only the medics having to rush in and give the judge Oxygen...Now, a word from the judge: Judge: "Yes, well i'm not really sure what happened. I just started laughing so uncontrollably because this is the most rediculous thing i have ever heard! next thing I know, i've got on an oxygen mask with medics standing around me. Don't worry tho, I was well enough to through this childish banter to the dogs...NOT IN MY COURTROOM..." **and there you have it folks. Always bringing you the late breaking news, stay tuned to KAAK on your FM dial...

This is X.Y.Z. TV news
*** Breaking news!!!
Old record is beaten!!! We have a new world record for the world's shortest judicial hearing.
Russian paranoid behavior confirmed once again!!!
Today, the lawyer of Russian Olympic team was found guilty in crimes against humanity and genocide of penguin’s population in Antarctica. It is proved that about year ago, while he has tourist’s trip in Antarctica he…Oh no…. what a bastard…. I just can’t read it…. he…it’s so terrible…it’s impossible to believe in such horrors…. HE TREATED PINGUINS AS ANIMALS!!!! Can you imagine AS ANIMALS!!!
***
Judge: The investigation revealed unbeatable facts that suspect is guilty. We have all evidences needed to prove his crimes against penguins. We have his letters to his friends where he called penguins small, BLAK, ANIMALS. The CIA gave us spy satellite pictures, which proves his atrocities. We also have a video tape which shows his attitude for penguins in zoo, I wouldn’t recommended to see this tape to a children or people with heart attacks, it is so terrible. We also have witnesses:

Unfortunate we cant show the face of this penguin, because we believe his life still in danger.

Penguin (black silhouette): Khhaa-khaa-trkhhaaa…

Interpreter: Before this man arrived we lived in peaceful community, we never done any harm to any one. When he arrived we treat him as a friend. We gave him everything we have: our food, our houses, our beer, we even singed songs in his honor. We showed him our respect and our love. But he betrayed us, what fools we were when believed to such monster. Everything changed when he start…. sob…. when he start…. sob…. when he start to treat us as animals…. sob…sob…sob…

Penguin: .lth…..leth…khim …hoow….

Interpreter :…sob…Oh no… I can’t translate this anymore, it’s so terrible.

Judge: We also have U.S. marine as witness, he is one of our glorious soldiers who were sent to Antarctica to protect penguins.

U.S. Marine (chewing cigar): Fu…[censored]. When we arrived in fu…[censored] Antarctica, we saw fu…[censored] penguins to be treated as fu…[censored] animals. I don’t fu…[censored] kidding, this fu…[censored] bastard really treat them as fu…[censored] animals. It is too fu …[censored] [censored] [censored] [censored] [censored] [censored] [censored]… hands.

Interpreter:….. It is too bad that I was on duty, otherwise I lynched this bastard by my own hands.

***
Jury makes verdict “guilty” only after they look at suspect.

Jury member: Never saw such monster in my life. I even can’t call him a human being after all what he done. Gulty, million times guilty, no doubt guilty.
***
There is only one thing should be added to this terrible story. This is not the first time when Lawyers of Russian Olympic team found guilty in such terrible crimes. As we all know this is the third case when Russian paranoids were involved in horrible crimes. The previous lawyer was found guilty in murder of J.F.K and the first one was found guilty in his multiply attempts to steal the moon for his own purposes. We go for explanations of such strange behavior to one of the leading experts in psychotherapy.

Expert: Actually, paranoid activity of Russian lawyers does not surprise me. I was always known that they are paranoids. I once have a patient- a Russian lawyer with strong suicidal syndrome, who seriously thought that Russian Olympic team was tricked on last Olympic games. (long laugh). It is sad (laugh) that I was unable to help him, at the end he done a suicide. It’s too, sad. (laugh).

Reporter: Doctor, don’t you find that it is strange that all lawyers have the same views on this subject?

Expert: No, not at all. This is the first stage of this sickness, this phenomenon calls “A Russian who seeking the truth”, later the sickness is progress and they doing various terrible crimes, as our court proved it. This sickness also might have side effects; mostly it’s a suicidal syndrome.

Reporter: Doctor, Is this sickness dangerous?

Expert: Of course it is. My patient has several contacts with other people, and those people were infected by “A Russian who seeking the truth” syndrome. It is very dangerous decease.

Reporter: Do any means to be protected from this syndrome are exist?

Expert: Do not contact with Russian lawyers. They are all paranoids, all of them. It is not only my opinion, everybody knows about that.

Reporter: Thank you Doctor.
***
U.S government warning to all U.S. citizens:
Avoid contacts with Russians at any cost, especially with Russian lawyers. If you are unable to avoid a contact, then do not hear what they are saying. If you heard what they said or saw some kind of documents then immediately move to closest hospital or police station for qualify help.
***
This is X.Y.Z. News. Stay tuned, our next story about headless body found today in bathroom of Shmilton Hotel. The police officers believe that it was an accident while shaving. They also suspect a trace of this new Russian syndrome in this case.

	02-03-2002 01:00									#233
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HUH?????

But out of all of that, it translated to

BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH
"Russian paranoid behavior confirmed once again!!!
BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH

Thanks for supporting the general premise.

RAH

	02-03-2002 01:24									#234
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quote: Originally posted by rah HUH????? But out of all of that, it translated to BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH "Russian paranoid behavior confirmed once again!!! BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH Thanks for supporting the general premise. RAH

I thought we'd already proved that to everyone's satisfaction, at least everyone who isn't a DL

	02-03-2002 16:39									#235
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2Ming
Thanx.

quote: Originally posted by Sir Ralph It was meant as an answer for the other Russian poster (datakodin), who demanded to keep the rules of the forum. Just wanted to show, that the guy who he defended, violated the rules too.

Certainly, I have good feeling for Serb. However, I demanded to remove the insulting slang word from the tread name. It is a diferent point, isn't it? Poproshu vpred' chitat' vozrazhenia povnimatelnee, and I certify that it is not any coward insult in foreign language.

quote: Originally posted by Rah And just for grins, I read that the Russian President chastised the head of the Russian olympic team for not defending their athletes well enough during the games. At least they're starting to blame themselves. Or is this simple scapgoating? I mean it has to be SOMEONE"S fault.

Seriously, many of Russians are thinking that it was fault of our sport managers. We had expected before that the IOC and Americains would deal with us in very aggressive manner - so why our managers weren't ready?! Why not to claim that Amecain goally had three hands instead of two legal ones?
Really, we do not understand what these people - I mean the head of our delegation and other managers - did in SLC? So, we blame them more than anybody else.

2Kaak
The radical terrorist groups are the real threat for many countries and many nations. Several hundreds of Russians were killed by them in 1999 apartment bomb blasting. Many of Serbs were killed by UCK in Kosovo. Many Turks were killed by Kurdish extremists. Many of Iranian soldiers died while fighting with Talebani drug dealers in that time when Mr.Bush did even not know what is Afghanistan. Shall I continue the list?
You claim that you seek for the wide anti-terror coalition. So, you had a good chance to show to the rest of the world that your country is sharing the sorrow of other nations. But not - you prefer to use the World Olimpic Games to honour YOUR martyrs only.
You said Serb is insensitive. I have to ask - are you?