27-12-2000 03:40									#1
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Perhaps in Civ III there should be a group of new wonders (7) that are all 'concepts' they were
never truly built in the real world, but were supposedly going to be the greatest of all.

The List-
Tower Of Babel (gives an extra citizen to the city who builds it; immigration to get more workers)
?

	27-12-2000 03:45									#2
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It could be a good idea, but I am having difficulties in finding any more examples of such a thing (does AIDS cure count?).

	27-12-2000 04:32									#3
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Maybe such advances as Homer's "The Illiad" or "The Odyssey" which bring happiness +technology bonus' to the civ that builds it....

or "The Spice Routes" which bring extra trade/unit seeing bonus' and/or make explored areas not "grey" but always veiwable..

thats just a few, if we're only talking about ancient, ancient wonders

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	27-12-2000 09:17									#4
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I'm sticking with my guns. Too many wonders as is. Though to contribute to this thread in a positive way, how about the Fountain of Youth?

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	28-12-2000 01:17									#5
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Some people misunderstood this-

It is for Wonders never built, but conceived and planned to be built or rumored to have been built

However thank you for the Fountain of Youth suggestion, perhaps a City of Gold would be worthwhile as well, (El Dorado)

-No I do not think AIDS wonder counts because it is more of a technology and not a wonder.

	28-12-2000 05:08									#6
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DarkCloud, here's my edited wonders list that I use in my games...it may or may not be useful (some are too fantastic)

Pyramids, 20, 0, Mas,
Hanging Gardens, 20, 0, Pot,
Colossus, 20, 0, Bro,
Lighthouse, 20, 0, Map,
Great Library, 30, 0, Lit,
Holy City, 30, 0, Mys,
Great Wall, 30, 0, Mas,
Count Dracula's Castle, 30, 0, Feu,
Hovering Island, 30, 0, Eng,
Mu Statues, 20, 0, Tra,
Mystical Chapel, 40, 0, MT,
Star Observatory, 30, 0, Ast,
Voyage Around the World, 40, 0, Nav,
Polar Journey, 30, 0, Med,
Time Machine, 40, 0, Inv,
Voyage to Beyond, 40, 0, The,
Discovery of Atlantis, 40, 0, ToG,
Philosopher's Stone, 40, 0, Eco,
Journey to Earth's Core, 40, 0, RR,
Ruler Transformation, 40, 0, Dem,
Space Gun, 30, 0, SE,
Fountain of Youth, 60, 0, Ind,
Perpetuum Mobile, 60, 0, E2,
Doomsday Device, 60, 0, NF,
Global Conspiracy, 60, 0, Cmn,
Interstellar Voyage, 60, 0, SFl,
The Internet, 60, 0, Cmp,
Human Cloning, 60, 0, Gen,

	28-12-2000 05:26									#7
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Count Dracula's Castle, hmmm? Alright.. I'll bite... (ouch. bad pun.)

Seriously though.. Some of those wonders sound cool in a fantasy-world sort of way... but I just *have* to know what benefit a civ get's by having the Count's castle.

	28-12-2000 07:17									#8
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maybe units heal when they attack and bite the enemy

	29-12-2000 10:58									#9
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or else defending units in that city get +100% vs all ground units except torch-and-pitchfork-weilding peasants.

No seriously... Dr. Oogkloot... where are you???

	29-12-2000 04:20									#10
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I replaced Sun Tzu's academy with Count Dracula's Castle because I had to find some place for it (thought it would be nice to have it as a wonder), and wasn't the historical Dracula a warlike king?

	29-12-2000 04:52									#11
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Oh! you just changed the name then, but kept the attributes the same. That's still alright. I love what I've read on Sun Tzu's theories, so I would never have made the change, but thanks for explaining it.

	29-12-2000 05:26									#12
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How about "The Testimony Scribes"?

It could give: +30% law and order, +10% wisdom, -20% freedom, +40% morality

or maybe book of the dead

	30-12-2000 04:28									#13
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hHydro, I kept the attributes for everything the same, I didn't mean to include them but it was easier with the copy/pasting

	30-12-2000 09:28									#14
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Howard Hughes's 'wooden plane' that never flew!!

I heard he ran out of money before he could fit the necessary engines to lift it off the ground.

	31-12-2000 10:38									#15
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Concept wonders is an interesting idea. The thing is that they tend to be cultural things and therefor would be more appropriate if they were "researched" instead of built. Kind of like dead-end mini-techs with short term bonuses.

The Illiad and The Odyssey - increased happiness for "x" turns

Fount of Youth and El Dorado - units get increased site radius when exploring new territory representing eagerness to find legendary places. Or part of the map is revealed.