28-02-2002 05:18									#1
	Hey Units... Get a Move On! Inflate your Upload Space

Hey everybody,

Couple of questions regarding MOVEUNIT commands. I have been looking at Nemo's RF events trying to get a feel for them, but there are a few things I dont quite get. These references are from 'Events1' of RF.

quote: @IF RECEIVEDTECHNOLOGY technology=60 receiver=Germans @THEN MOVEUNIT unit=AnyUnit owner=Germans maprect 32,126,36,126,36,148,32,148 moveto 41,133 numbertomove=ALL @ENDIF

How exactly are those mapprecets working? Is Nemo refering to:
32,126
36,126
36,148
etc?

Also, 'numbertomove'... Does that merely pick the top X number of units in a stack at those points? And I would surmise this is affected by the AnyUnit part to... so can you for instance have all kinds of units in a stack, and tell 5 tanks to go here, 5 different tanks to go there etc...? Even all tanks of this type go here and there?

And the recieved technology trigger, can that be used with one tech that was given at the start of the scenario and is still obviously held throughout the game, or must a civ be given such a tech each turn in order to trigger the events? Can they be given the same tech everyturn by avoiding the JUSTONCE command?

And this here is very interesting:

quote: @IF UNITKILLED unit=Red Army attacker=Germans defender=Soviets @THEN CREATEUNIT unit=Wehrmacht SG owner=Germans veteran=yes homecity=None locations 47,53 42,48 38,50 43,53 34,50 33,61 30,68 endlocations MOVEUNIT unit=AnyUnit owner=Germans maprect 33,47,39,47,39,51,33,51 moveto 42,48 numbertomove=ALL @ENDIF

Notice that none of the places that the Wermacht SG is created are contained within the MOVEUNIT command. Why would this be added to this specific event?

Thanks for any help,

-FMK.

	28-02-2002 06:24									#2
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quote: Originally posted by Field Marshal Klesh Hey everybody, Couple of questions regarding MOVEUNIT commands. I have been looking at Nemo's RF events trying to get a feel for them, but there are a few things I dont quite get. These references are from 'Events1' of RF. How exactly are those mapprecets working? Is Nemo refering to: 32,126 36,126 36,148 etc?

Yes, but you write them all in one line, as outlined in the manual. The coordinates are as follows:

#1 - #2

#4 - #3

quote: Also, 'numbertomove'... Does that merely pick the top X number of units in a stack at those points? And I would surmise this is affected by the AnyUnit part to... so can you for instance have all kinds of units in a stack, and tell 5 tanks to go here, 5 different tanks to go there etc...? Even all tanks of this type go here and there?

The AI selects units to move one at a time, regardles of whether there's a moveunit command or not. So the first 5 units the AI would have selected which are located in the event-defined rectangle are the ones the moveunit command affects. Anyunit means just that. Otherwise they must be identified by their specific name (eg. "T-34 Tank"). Using categories of units (eg. all tanks) is an invalid command.

quote: And the recieved technology trigger, can that be used with one tech that was given at the start of the scenario and is still obviously held throughout the game, or must a civ be given such a tech each turn in order to trigger the events? Can they be given the same tech everyturn by avoiding the JUSTONCE command?

Using ReceivedTechnology as a trigger is a way of making the event repeat every turn (unless JUSTONCE is used in the action portion) from the point the technology is received.

quote: Notice that none of the places that the Wermacht SG is created are contained within the MOVEUNIT command. Why would this be added to this specific event?

I'm just guessing, but it looks like he is creating an advance unit, then moving others into it's general vicinity. Perhaps it's a means of creating the rapid German advance. I hope this helps. There is also a tip on this by Nemo on 'Cradle of Civilization'.

	28-02-2002 06:27									#3
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When a maprect is defined, it effects any squares inside four coordinates given in the order of upperleft, upperright, lowerright and lowerleft corners.

I'm not sure about this, but I think that numbertomove is actually type to move. ALL means all types of units. You can give a unit name like 'Red Guard' as well.

receivedtechnology flag is checked every turn. It is more flexible then turn number=everyturn flag since you can start from a certain point into the game.

Wermacht not in maprect: Nemo just combined two orders, create a unit and move, into one. He can of course separate them to enhance readability, but events.txt has a length limit so he might not want to waste space.

	28-02-2002 13:26									#4
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Description
see macro.txt This file can be found on your original Civ2 CD

Following description for ToT
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
CreateUnit owner= civilization name
unit= name of a type of unit
[Count=] number from 1 to 255
veteran= [Yes], [No], [False], or [True]
homecity= city name or [None]
[InCapital]
locations
x1,y1,z1
...
x10,y10,z10
endlocations
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
CreateUnit:

Creates from 1 to 255 new units (at no expense) with specified characteristics and places them at the first of the specified locations. If that placement is invalid for any reason, the program tries the subsequent locations (there can be up to 10), in order, until one works or it reaches the EndLocations parameter. The x and y in these locations represent horizontal and vertical coordinates on the scenario map. The z is an optional coordinate specifying on which map the units should be created; if no z is entered, this defaults to map 0. The optional parameter InCapital forces the unit to be created in the capital city of the specified civilization. Even though this causes the locations to be ignored, you still must include the required Locations and EndLocations parameters and at least one location. Finally, you can use the optional Randomize modifier to have the location chosen at random from the list.


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MoveUnit unit= name of a type of unit
owner= civilization name
[Map=] number of a map
maprect x1,y1,x2,y2,x3,y3,x4,y4
moveto x,y
numbertomove= number or [All]
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

MoveUnit:

This scans a specified rectangular region of the map (maprect), then orders a specified number of the owner's units of the given type in that region to move to a certain location. The program only activates units that are (1) not fortified, (2) not on sentry duty, (3) not already headed for a destination, (4) not building fortifications, and (5) not nuclear weapons. MoveUnit does not affect units owned by human players. MOVEUNIT must not be used in the same event as the DelayPerFlag modifier.

The optional Map parameter allows you to specify which of the possible maps (the number available depends on how many are included in the particular scenario) the maprect and moveto locations refer to. Each action of this type affects only one map; the default is map 0.

The maprect coordinates define the corners of the rectangular region. They must (1) be on the line immediately following the word maprect, (2) be separated by commas, and (3) be listed in the following specific order to be valid. (They also must be valid map coordinates.) The first coordinate must be the upper left corner; next comes the upper right, then lower right, and finally lower left. Thus:

1--2
4--3




link for FW macro.txt
http://www.civ2-forum.gamigo.de/att...hp?postid=30485


link for ToT macro.txt
http://www.civ2-forum.gamigo.de/att...hp?postid=30486

	28-02-2002 13:30									#5
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Events
Order of Execution
-------------------
from macro.txt

This particular issue will rarely, if ever, be of concern in any but the most exactingly precise and complex scenarios. However, for those of you who need to know, here is the order in which the possible actions take place in any single event.

1) PlayWaveFile
2) PlayAVIFile
3) PlayCDTrack
4) CreateUnit
5) MoveUnit
6) Transportable
7) ChangeTerrain
8) MakeAggression
9) ChangeMoney
10) DestroyACivilization
11) GiveTechnology
12) TakeTechnology
13) EnableTechnology
14) Text
15) ModifyReputation
16) BestowImprovement
17) EndGameOverride
18) EndGame
19) Flag
20) Negotiator

	28-02-2002 17:59									#6
	Re: Hey Units... Get a Move On! Support Apolyton, buy Alpha Centauri

quote: Originally posted by Field Marshal Klesh And this here is very interesting: Notice that none of the places that the Wermacht SG is created are contained within the MOVEUNIT command. Why would this be added to this specific event?

Xin Yu is absolutely right, you can put several triggers into one event (it does not play a role if they are related to eachother or not) and save events space in that way. If you want to create different triggers, e.g. CreateUnit, GiveMoney, CityTaken, ChangeTerrain etc, etc simply write them into one event, like Nemo did, it cost not as much space as a new event for every trigger...

Of course in ToT that is not a problem, but I think you´re under FW/MGE...

	28-02-2002 20:31									#7
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Thanks everybody!

quote: Anyunit means just that. Otherwise they must be identified by their specific name (eg. "T-34 Tank"). Using categories of units (eg. all tanks) is an invalid command.

Yes, this is what I thought. And yes, 'all tanks' isnt a valid command.

quote: but I think you´re under FW/MGE...

Yes, I am.

quote: Using ReceivedTechnology as a trigger is a way of making the event repeat every turn (unless JUSTONCE is used in the action portion) from the point the technology is received.

Cool, so one can use a tech that a Civ has from the start of the game?


Now, I still am not understanding the mapprecert thing.
With every other location entry there are 2 numbers per square. Example being (15,37). However, this mapprecet thing uses 4 sets of numbers per square, and I understand that these represent the edges of the square in question.

1 --2
4 --3

But how does one find these numbers? I mean, how does one look at the surrounding squares and attain the value for it seeing as the surrounding squares have 2 values for them (X,Y)? Here is a quick mock up that may help you all to convey this to me. I learn visually fairly well...

What I have done is to have a square in question, given it an imaginary map coordinate (15,37), coloured the edges that would need to be identified in order to have the event work, and numbered them in the order they should be entered in the events. If you guys could tell me what the 4 coordinates that I would use in this situation, I might be able to rationalize it and understand better. Know what I mean?

Anyway, you guys have helped alot here, and thank you very much for that. I am almost there...


-FMK.

	28-02-2002 22:33									#8
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Your coordinates are 14,36,16,36,16,38,14,38 or if you meant to move units from only one square then 15,37,15,37,15,37,15,37

It is more simple than you think. The coordinates of selected square are showed in window on the right side alongside with terraintype etc info. You can select rectangle with any size, for example in TSFE I use very big rectangles for simulating German mobilization for Barbarossa. The destination point can be inside or outside of the rectangle.

The best if you read Nemo's good artickle about the subject but hold in mind that the artickle is written about moveunit command in FW. Several limitations and rules what Nemo describes there don't apply to MGE and ToT.

	28-02-2002 23:01									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Field Marshal Klesh Cool, so one can use a tech that a Civ has from the start of the game?

As far as I know, the tech must be received during the game to act as a trigger. This could be with the ScenarioLoaded trigger; therefore from the start of the game. A simple experiment would determine if a tech already owned at the start would also work.

	01-03-2002 00:40									#10
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Ahhh now this clears it up very nicely fellas!

What I didnt understand was the way that you were to encircle the square in question. I wont bother to post about my confusion, but I am understaing this perfectly now.

And yes, I will just have to experiment with the tech thingy Techumseh.


-FMK.

	01-03-2002 02:29									#11
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Yiikes... just the thread I was looking for. Today I lost my MGE macro book. Is there anyone to post me MGE macro list?