01-03-2002 21:19									#91
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quote: Originally posted by Saint Marcus My avatar is a counterbalance to all the American flag waving going on in the world. Since I really dont want to waving around a Dutch flag, I'd use the EU's.

The EU's flag is heart-shaped?

	01-03-2002 21:21									#92
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quote: Originally posted by loinburger The EU's flag is heart-shaped?

Yes. I blame German engineering for inflicting such an abomination on the world.

	01-03-2002 21:21									#93
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quote: The EU's flag is heart-shaped?

I wish it was. Make love, not war.

	01-03-2002 21:45									#94
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quote: Enough with the cheap (and really weak) insults...

Giancarlo says that Franco is his hero, and that homosexuals don't deserve freedom. and he's allowed to post?

	01-03-2002 21:46									#95
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quote: Originally posted by Saint Marcus I wish it was. Make love, not war.

The EU's more like "Make complicated, not better"

	01-03-2002 21:52									#96
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quote: Originally posted by Saint Marcus Giancarlo says that Franco is his hero, and that homosexuals don't deserve freedom. and he's allowed to post?

They are opinions... and harmless ones. Everybody is welcome to their opinion... However, it is a matter of how you express them.

To say :Franco is my hero" is ok...
To say "Hitler is my hero, and I think he had the right idea to kill all the jews, and I think we should kill all the jews" now that isn't.
It is a message of hate...

To say "homosexuals don't derserve freedom" is ok...
To say "homosexuals should all die and go to hell" is not ok...
Again, a message of hate...

Yeah, there is a very thin line... and we do the best we can.

I hope this helps explain it.

	01-03-2002 22:12									#97
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ok, I see the first distinction (though this means saying that Hitler or OBL is my hero is fine, as well as having an avatar of them).

But the second is somewhat less clear.

Saying that homosexuals should be locked up (thus depriving them of freedom), is ok.
Thus saying that homosexuality is illegal is also ok (why lock them up if their behaviour is not illegal?)

Saying rapist should be locked up is ok.
Saying rapist should face capital punishment is also ok.

So saying that people who commit one form of illegal behaviour should be locked up is fine, and saying they should be executed is fine as well. Saying that people who commit another form of illegal behaviour (in the poster's eyes) should be locked up is fine, but saying they should be executed isn't.

Doesn't seem right somehow.

Also, if I say that blacks don't deserve freedom, is that allowed as well here?


Thanks for the explanation btw.

	01-03-2002 22:18									#98
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quote: Originally posted by Saint Marcus Saying that homosexuals should be locked up (thus depriving them of freedom), is ok. Thus saying that homosexuality is illegal is also ok (why lock them up if their behaviour is not illegal?)

I think I took freedom in a different way than you are looking at.
I thought it implied "sexual" freedom... not jail time.

I think it's ok to say... In our state, it is against the law, and anybody caught should be put in jail because it is against the law is ok...

But saying all homosexuals should be thrown in jail because I think it's disgusting is not ok.

Again... a fine line. We look at "intent" (granted, we are guessing) and the context in which the comment is made. And we do consider the history of the poster also...

We do the best we can.

	01-03-2002 22:30									#99
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quote: Originally posted by Chowlett I'm a mathmo

Me too...i love math

	01-03-2002 22:38									#100
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quote: Originally posted by Ming We do the best we can.

Nah, I think that the "Where do you want to go today?" logo suits you better, Ming!

	01-03-2002 23:00									#101
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This is what this thread is NOT about:

1) flaming Giancarlo without being provoked

2) Giancarlo flaming others without being provoked

3) gays or lesbians need for coming out

Here is what this thread IS about:

1) Your avatar, and what it means to you.

	01-03-2002 23:00									#102
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quote: Originally posted by Zealot Nah, I think that the "Where do you want to go today?" logo suits you better, Ming!

Mingrosoft?

	01-03-2002 23:05									#103
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Mine is, quite obviously, the flag of the European Union. A flawed institution, but a great idea that I hope will come into it's own one day.

	01-03-2002 23:07									#104
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quote: Originally posted by Zopperoni Mingrosoft?

It's their way or the "crash" way!

	01-03-2002 23:32									#105
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Yeah Avatar are good to express our natural tendancies and personal hopes.

Let explore the sign !

By example my new sign :

Fachism is an opinion of those who claim to speak for the majority. A simple perversion of the facts is subjected to those who cannot think on their own. The jacklepacks we call fachists force their opinions on helpless people who cannot make up their own minds. A healthy perception is denied. A standard of misconception is instated. One cannot deceive someone as much as the fachists do. Fachists do not deserve a brain as what they do does no require one. I do not base my findings on religion, but upon Banana Wisdom.


What do you think about it ?

	01-03-2002 23:43									#106
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I think it's flamable and unnecessary.

	01-03-2002 23:51									#107
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quote: Originally posted by Zealot I think it's flamable and unnecessary.

Agree !
This post is as flamable as certain sign I see ...
I just ctrl-c / ctrl-v an actual sign and modified it a little ...

	02-03-2002 00:25									#108
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My signature is copyrighted. Hahaha.

And somebody who can't even spell fascist right has problems...

	02-03-2002 00:28									#109
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I have too much worked today ... after 12h of work I have some problem to write correct english (or french either).

Since Fazism or Nascism are words I hate.

	02-03-2002 00:29									#110
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LAST WARNING FOLKS!!!!
Post on topic, or you may not be able to post anything...

	02-03-2002 00:30									#111
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quote: Originally posted by ZoboZeWarrior I have too much worked today ... after 12h of work I have some problem to write correct english (or french either). Since Fazism or Nascism are words I hate.

Just the edit the message and remove it or I will have to talk with ming.

Edit: Sorry ming, I just saw your message.

	02-03-2002 00:34									#112
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quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo Just the edit the message and remove it or I will have to talk with ming. Edit: Sorry ming, I just saw your message.

Your talk won't get very far... I've had complaints about you sign, and it's as bad if not worse than what he posted... so if you want him to edit his, you will be editing yours too!

Now... NO MORE OF THIS CRAP!
Don't push your luck!

	02-03-2002 00:37									#113
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I chose my avatar because it looks cool. Also it gets right up reactionary noses.

	02-03-2002 00:56									#114
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I just changed my avatar!

My new avatar is Lenin in posh clothes and sunglasses! He's part of National Coalition's youth organization's new "Be Bourgeois" campaign. While I don't endorse political youth organizations, believing them to be way for smug future powerbrokers to get first taste of power and little ideologues to participate in ideological circle-jerking - and considering I've heard they participate in graveyard membership drives to hitch up their member count and thus government funding - Uncle Vissarionovitsh just looked too nice to leave unmolested.

	02-03-2002 00:58									#115
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I changed my avatar to the Spanish Flag.

	02-03-2002 01:07									#116
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I've a Calvin avatar, because I'm talking to a Tiger too.
He's nice, weel educated and love Animals programs on TV.

...

In fact I'm just addicted to this comic !

	02-03-2002 01:27									#117
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If you look really closely at my avatar you can see images of hard-core pornography reflected on the eyeball.

	02-03-2002 01:49									#118
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My Calvin is better.

	02-03-2002 01:52									#119
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ok update on avatar.

The city has 8% crime now and has VERY HEAVY POLLUTION

Tho I am building courthouse..

Gaurded by 2 machine gunners, artillery and diplomat.

	02-03-2002 02:06									#120
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How about picking a new avatar that does not give you bragging privileges?