31-12-2000 20:29									#1
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We can have some confidence in saying there will be a "sweep of time" with the games. But what if you rerelease SMAC (2) and change the storyline to have the Unity be launched at a later date, such as 2150. I say this for three reasons:1.It doesn't seem like we're going to AC in 50 years 2.This will allow you time to build "Space cities" in civilization (and have futuristic techs and 3.If the format of Civ3 is changed (ex. to real time games), this will allow you to also change the format in SMAC.

	01-01-2001 01:00									#2
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Interesting idea- but I am against space cities, perhaps cities on the moon/ seperate map. and orbital destroyer satellites, but I believe space cities may just turn out to reflect badly on civ.

-Unless they implement them correctly.

	01-01-2001 01:03									#3
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Civ III will not be real time. If you want a civ game in real time try Empire Earth.

	01-01-2001 03:02									#4
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First, I'm not saying I want civ3 to be real time. It was just an example of a "dramatic change." About the space, this will offer the time neccessary to implimant some of the space ideas in the List vs. 1, like multiple planet maps and cities on them.

	01-01-2001 03:15									#5
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Cities on the moon would be a better idea than space cities I think. Although, I don't know how long they would be revelent. It would be interesting if you conquered a civs cities on Earth, but still had to conquer them on the moon. I don't know, I'm new to civ so I could be wrong. Probably not, but still possible.

	01-01-2001 03:38									#6
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I'm sorry but I am just not in favor of having to estabilish and conquer cities in space. I think the game should end around when it is possible to send a space colony to AC but before we have actually done it (ex. about now). I just think that it would not add that much more elements of fun but would add a lot more complexity to program and to play.

	01-01-2001 03:51									#7
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We should be able to build space stations. And you would need to make it pointless to build as many as possible, so you'd only need to build either 1 really big one like mir or a few smaller ones scattering around the orbit of earth. Not only that but you could choose to build space stations around other planets and moons. But if you were to send the common people into space to live, you would have to build cities on the moon or mars.

By the time we have the technology to do that, we would know if Alpha Centauri has any habital planets for humans to live on. If it did, then we could send out people to that planet straight away, however if it didn't have one, but there was a "mars-type planet" with a bit of life on it, then we may require a few more tech to send people out there, to live for hundreds of years, isolated from earth.

I'm basicaly saying that we shouldn't go to AC, until we have at least managed to colonize Mars and the Moon, UNLESS we KNOW there is a habital planet for humans to survive on, an earth-like planet. Then we could send a spaceship out straight away.

And that adds another feature to the game, each game will randomly choose the chance of habital planets in AC, so you could have 3 that are habital, or just 1, or none.

I feel that its important for each game to 'feel' like you've started again. I'm so tired of doing the same thing over and over again, knowing whats going to happen. It makes the game harder, more realistic, more interesting, more exciting, if each game is different from the last. It's one reason why civ lasted for so long.

	01-01-2001 08:03									#8
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JER8M8 quote 1:
"But what if you rerelease SMAC (2) and change the storyline to have the Unity be launched at a later date, such as 2150."

Why re-release SMAC with a changed storyline? It doesnt make neither game-developing, nor commercial sence?

JER8M8 quote 2:
"About the space, this will offer the time neccessary to implimant some of the space ideas in the List vs. 1, like multiple planet maps and cities on them."

Civ-3 is suppose to be a part of a "sweep of time" series, right? Now, based on this: Why then would they even try to cram half of SMAC into the game?
Whats wrong with futuristic beyond 2040 AD tailor-cut Civ-3 scenarios? Isnt that approach both safer, and more flexible for Firaxis? Not to mention; less developing workload, then if they foolishly tries to squeeze as much future as possible into the main-game.

Why take the risk of repeating both TOT- and CTP/CTP-2 bad review-scores, by incorporating typical features of those games: multi-linked maps, sky-cities, public-works and futuristic end-techs?

In CTP-2 the idea of sky-cities was dropped. Why should Firaxis implement something that got mostly bad mag-review critisism - bad enough, so that Activision decided to skip the idea in the update?
Also, i dont think theres any principal difference between sky/space cities and moon/mars cities. Both ideas dilutes and diverge the main civ-game focus: developing an alternative earth civilization history!

[This message has been edited by Ralf (edited January 01, 2001).]

	01-01-2001 11:27									#9
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Dinosaurs - Civ 3 - SMAC2 will be 3 seperate games, but they can/will join together.

they will each be as big as any normal big game

	01-01-2001 18:50									#11
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Just play Civ3, they're focusing on just Civ3 in Civ3, you don't HAVE to head for AC

	02-01-2001 13:29									#13
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NASA can't scrape enough of a budget to launch people to Mars, let alone Alpha Centauri. And the UN has enough problems without speniding money on a spaceship.

	02-01-2001 14:55									#14
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There should be no link. They are seperate games, not a series.

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	02-01-2001 16:09									#15
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You're absolutely right Deathwalker.

In real life, when the Dinosaurs died and humans started to recognise themselves as civilizations and travelling to Alpha Centauri, they're all entirely different dimensions! That happen to merge together perfectly!

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[This message has been edited by ContradictioN (edited January 02, 2001).]

	02-01-2001 19:36									#16
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I agree.

Incidentally, how can Dino connect with Civ3?

And anyway, if we are going to have a sweep of time series, wouldn't it be funny for civilization 3 and smac 2 to be a part of it?

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	03-01-2001 05:15									#17
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	03-01-2001 20:44									#18
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I think you all are over thinking this too much.

When the "Sweep of Time" thing was first announced they said it was more of a marketing thing than a playable thing.

So, it is a sweep of time in terms of how they market the series: "Firaxis covers Earth's history". It doesn't mean that you will be able to play through the series uninterupted and in only TBS or RTS or without gaps in time. It is just something for Gamecenter or Gamespot to publish.

In conclusion, this whole thing to me is a marketing gimmick.

	04-01-2001 04:05									#20
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I've read everything about Civ3 since the beginning, I don't remember anyone from Firaxis saying its a marketing scheme. I remember people debating about it, but that's it, so where do you get your info from tniem?