04-03-2002 13:21									#1
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It's up, it's down, it's up, it's down.

What's going on?

	04-03-2002 13:26									#2
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yeah, what happened?

	04-03-2002 13:53									#3
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quote: Originally posted by Asher It's up, it's down, it's up, it's down. What's going on?

Life's going on

Heck,
Apolyton has been into dramastic changes recently, as can be read in about section, so some minor problems are expected to occour.

	04-03-2002 13:57									#4
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quote: Originally posted by Jeje2 Apolyton has been into dramastic changes recently, as can be read in about section, so some minor problems are expected to occour.

The "dramatic" changes happened months (or is it weeks?) ago.

There's no reason those changes would magically cause the system to go down for 2 days unless they're moving to yet another server, in which case it'd be nice if they notified us...

	04-03-2002 14:04									#5
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he had a power outage this weekend....

	04-03-2002 14:17									#6
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quote: Originally posted by MarkG he had a power outage this weekend....

Run out of carrots for the gerbils?

	04-03-2002 14:19									#7
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quote: Originally posted by MarkG he had a power outage this weekend....

You guys are running a server without a UPS?

	04-03-2002 14:26									#8
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quote: Originally posted by Asher You guys are running a server without a UPS?

I only know about UPS' that last half an hour tops!

	04-03-2002 14:29									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Asher You guys are running a server without a UPS?

not a 24-hours one, i'm terribly sorry

	04-03-2002 14:30									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Zealot I only know about UPS' that last half an hour tops!

There are some that last hours (http://www.cablestogo.com/web_produ...c_smart_ups.pdf )

But we still would have had downtime.

How come it took so long to turn on the server after the outage?

Why doesn't Apolyton run through a real service provider? When we did SidGames, we ran it through Bell. They had backup generators, so power outages never affected us. If the server had problems, they'd fix it within 24 hours. If the server crashed, they'd have it up again in a few hours, max.

	04-03-2002 15:05									#11
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As opposed to web hosting, colocation (having a company to look after your server) is <em>expensive</em>, usually in units of thousands of US dollars.

It's reasonable if that's a company website, esp. one for e-commerce. But for a gaming site? Let's be realistic.

	04-03-2002 16:36									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Asher You guys are running a server without a UPS?

What is an UPS? Could someone explain me that?

	04-03-2002 16:44									#13
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	04-03-2002 16:48									#14
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You mean if there´s the power outage UPS transports the posts per plane?

	04-03-2002 16:52									#15
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right on, and if they can't, the Us Postal Service takes over

	04-03-2002 17:11									#16
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last time i checked, sidgames was dead....

	04-03-2002 17:57									#17
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quote: Originally posted by MarkG last time i checked, sidgames was dead....

Touché

But what happened to sidgames system?
In it's days of glory it sure was big and huge and beautiful - it would be a pity if everything is just lost to the bit-heaven.

	04-03-2002 18:19									#18
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quote: Originally posted by BeBro What is an UPS? Could someone explain me that?

Uninterruptible Power Supply

I think the words say enough

	04-03-2002 18:21									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger As opposed to web hosting, colocation (having a company to look after your server) is <em>expensive</em>, usually in units of thousands of US dollars. It's reasonable if that's a company website, esp. one for e-commerce. But for a gaming site? Let's be realistic.

O yes, agreed, I work at a co-location area, and it's certainly not cheap...probably explains why there's still a lot empty
We had a UPS on fire a few weeks ago

	04-03-2002 18:51									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Zopperoni We had a UPS on fire a few weeks ago

Well,
my last summervacation was nicely interrupted by a UPS that gone mad.

You see something broke the UPS and thus it switched itself off. OK, everything went down, but after about 20 seconds the UPS thought OK everything safe now => switch on. Again a 20 sec's later it went off again.

Our server with SCSI didn't like this for too many hours and thus the operating harddrive broke.


So yes I love my UPS systems, but I cann't live whitout them either

	04-03-2002 18:55									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Zopperoni Uninterruptible Power Supply I think the words say enough

Oh, thanks

	04-03-2002 19:05									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Jeje2 You see something broke the UPS and thus it switched itself off. OK, everything went down, but after about 20 seconds the UPS thought OK everything safe now => switch on. Again a 20 sec's later it went off again.

A weird thing happened at my work too. Some guys were working in the UPS room of Ebone, and the next thing, the fire alarm went off
Luckily it was only UPS A, so the place could still run on UPS B.
Everythings double-secured here.

	04-03-2002 21:22									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Zopperoni O yes, agreed, I work at a co-location area, and it's certainly not cheap...probably explains why there's still a lot empty

In my last job my predecessor stupidly signed a two year contract to colocate the company's own tiny http server. Blah, CTOs who don't know what they're doing.

	04-03-2002 22:51									#24
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quote: Originally posted by MarkG last time i checked, sidgames was dead....

Yeah, because Kunal's a ***** and got bored of it and a girlfriend at the same time.

quote: It's reasonable if that's a company website, esp. one for e-commerce. But for a gaming site? Let's be realistic.

It's very reasonable if you find sites that will do it.
You don't have to opt for enterprise-class hosting. There are people who do it for much cheaper too.

It is realistic. As I said, SidGames did it and there were actually profits made on top of it, even after paying for the hosting.

	05-03-2002 10:51									#25
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As I said, it's not web hosting, it's colo (some call it facility management). There's a difference there.

Colo means you own the server but has it placed in the care of another company that provides Internet connection and other services such as backup and 24-hour monitoring.

	05-03-2002 11:02									#26
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Maybe Apolyton should get Firaxis to host them

	05-03-2002 11:20									#27
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http://tera-byte.com/colo.html

They seem to have reasonable rates. I don't know for sure, but Poly still might cost quite a bit. What do you say Mark? A TeraByte per month for $2600 usd. Just bill Horsie by the line, you'll be rich.

I think it's US funds, even though they are located in Canada. Pretty good guys. And their space is computer heaven. A nice steady 10 degrees Celsius (or so). I should say that I have a vested interest. I build some of their comps.

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	05-03-2002 13:43									#28
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither A TeraByte per month for $2600 usd.

chokes. drops dead.

	05-03-2002 14:29									#29
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither A TeraByte per month for $2600 usd.

Isn't 1 Tera the same as 1000 Gigas?
For that price you might just buy 10 100 GB HD instead!
And they're your property (until they malfunction or get obsolete)!

	05-03-2002 15:07									#30
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Come on, what do you expect? This server's in Greece, it doesn't run on anything else but houmous and spent car batteries