07-03-2002 15:19									#31
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc PS What's the point of this thread?

I knew nothing about it, and was interested in some American views as to whether or not you did it, wanted to do it, had to do it, should do it, and why you did/do it.

The reason it was such a poor troll was It wasn't a troll!

	07-03-2002 15:37									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Shi Huangdi How is the Protestants' version different?

As I recall, the Catholic version stopped before "for thine is the Kingdom...'

I think the distinction may have disappeared in recent years. At my (RC) wedding last year, when we got to that bit, I shut up and the rest of the congregation carried on. Whoops...

	07-03-2002 16:44									#33
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quote: Originally posted by Cairo_East By the way, did anyone ever play "Oregon Trail" on the Apple IIC? I remember that game was soooo cool.

Funny you should mention that. I recently found an AppleIIE Emulator and downloaded an Oregon Trail rom for it. Works great

	07-03-2002 17:21									#34
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I had an apple IIC. A good computer it was.
But I don't know Oraigon trail ... what is this game ?

	07-03-2002 17:25									#35
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quote: Originally posted by red_jon Someone I know (who's British) was forced - with the rest of the group to sing the anthem and pledge allegance when visiting the US and going to school. At first the pupils refused, singing 'rule Britannia', but they had to in the end.

What did they hold guns to their heads and force them? I wouldn't have done it. There's no way I'd sing God Save the Queen when I was at school here, I'm not singing a different country's anthem.

	07-03-2002 17:37									#36
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quote: Originally posted by Shi Huangdi How is the Protestants' version different?

You don't get smacked by a nun if you mess it up.

	07-03-2002 18:24									#37
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Good old Canada. We aren't patriotic enough to limit our freedoms.

	07-03-2002 18:40									#38
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quote: Originally posted by Goingonit Good old Canada. We aren't patriotic enough to limit our freedoms.

	07-03-2002 20:40									#39
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When the leadership of the United States represents my views, needs, and values, then I will pledge allegiance. I refused to say it when I was in school because at that time Reagan and Bush were president. If this trend of convervative leadership continues into the future, I will instruct my children to refuse to say the pledge.

Although, if I were a dictator I would force people to pledge allegiance. Freedom just allows me to be a hypocrit.

	07-03-2002 21:16									#40
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Morning prayers and songs are an essential mean to prevent crime amongst kids. Any good conservative will tell you that.

	07-03-2002 21:47									#41
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* Dancing the DL dance *

	07-03-2002 21:58									#42
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"You don't get smacked by a nun if you mess it up."



Hey, our nuns were nicer than the public school teachers!

"Thine is the kingdom" is said after the Our Father, with some intervening ceremony from the priest. It accompanies the Our Father, but is not part of it. Capiche?

	07-03-2002 22:10									#43
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quote: Originally posted by DanS Capiche?

DanS, are you a mafiozo?

	07-03-2002 22:19									#44
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Yes, the German/Irish/Polish mafioso.

Pay up or the bunny gets it.

	07-03-2002 23:47									#46
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quote: Originally posted by MikeH There's no way I'd sing God Save the Queen when I was at school here, I'm not singing a different country's anthem.

At my school there were several foreigners including a Swedish and an Italian kid who didn't pledge, then they mysteriously vanished and we had Swedish meatballs and Lasagna on the school lunch menu for the next couple of days.

	08-03-2002 02:31									#48
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quote: Originally posted by DanS Pay up or the bunny gets it.

wouldn't that be the kitten gets it?

	08-03-2002 05:25									#49
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quote: Originally posted by H Tower wouldn't that be the kitten gets it?

Hey -- leave KrazyHorse's cute, little kitten alone.

	08-03-2002 05:36									#50
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I even know the pedge to the Texas State flag, short and dull as it is.

	08-03-2002 10:38									#51
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quote: Originally posted by Lefty Scaevola I even know the pedge to the Texas State flag, short and dull as it is.

don't just tell us you know, tell us the pledge

did dubya make it up?

	08-03-2002 13:20									#52
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I think I had to even in high school. I cannot remember.

I lived and live in Nevada btw.

I think it shouldn't be forces. That is just plain wrong. Kids shouldn't be forced to be patriotic. Schools should provide accurate enough information about their country that the kids should want to be patriotic.

	08-03-2002 13:36									#53
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Or enough so they DON'T want to be patriotic.

	08-03-2002 13:40									#54
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well they also need to teach history of other nations. maybe these kids will get it and realize they live in the best country .

most kids don't pay attention to the words anyways. I never did. I never cared what they meant. So it is blind patriotism at best. At worst it is a waste of vocal energy

	08-03-2002 13:48									#55
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Why don't schools try to teach kids to be World Citizens? (God that sounds corny. ) Nonetheless, that's how I prefer to think of myself after some few years living overseas. With (naturally and somewhat reluctantly) some, err, local feelings. Just not many.

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Since I went to elementary school and junior high in the States, I said the pledge every morning of the school year for 8 years. Never once did it occur to me that, since I'm not American, I shouldn't be pledging to a country that's not my own.

I don't dare think of what may have happened if I had refused to say the pledge....

	08-03-2002 19:20									#57
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quote: Originally posted by H Tower don't just tell us you know, tell us the pledge did dubya make it up?

Nope been around a long time, probable from shortly after the nation pedge was penned.

"Honor the Texas flag,
I pledge aellegiance to thee, Texas,
one and indivisable"


Whoever wrote it was ignorant of Texas history. The last word is entirely inaccurate. Texas has the right under it anexation agreement to divide itself into up to 5 states.

	08-03-2002 23:52									#58
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quote: Originally posted by Lefty Scaevola Whoever wrote it was ignorant of Texas history. The last word is entirely inaccurate. Texas has the right under it anexation agreement to divide itself into up to 5 states.

Specific or undefined. That is can you choose to kick out the county that Dubya is from to hide the shame of it all?