08-03-2002 09:52									#91
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quote: Originally posted by Comrade Tribune They were not allowed to beg in the streets, silly. They had to stay home.

Oh ya.....I forgot, all the years under the Masoods rule. Women stayed at home, the streets were filled with thugs, and there was constant 24:7 fighting. Your a bit wrong. Kabul was turned into a battlefield for 6 month. The NA ruled for 5 years.

quote: Did it occur to you that US TV stations have a choice of what they show, and what they cut? Did it occur to you that the NA castrates people who donīt like them, then shoot them? If you think the Taliban are dumb, you have never met yourself.

Maybe in your piece of **** country the government controls the media. Not here, I suppose the people walking down streets in Kabul and drinking coffee at Cafe's are paid by Ashley Banfield, Nick Robertson, and Steve Herrigan.....to say good things about the United States on live TV?


Please.....pull the plug on this moron

	08-03-2002 09:55									#92
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quote: Originally posted by Guynemer Wow. How to respond to that? How about with your own quotes (with one small change)?

	08-03-2002 09:57									#93
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quote: Originally posted by Guynemer Wow. How to respond to that? How about with your own quotes (with one small change)?

Ok kiddo......nice troll. I just got it now.


Find me a Muslim who wants the government to ban his religon

	08-03-2002 10:00									#94
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quote: Originally posted by faded glory Maybe in your piece of **** country the government controls the media. Not here.

No, in your piece of **** country the media control the government.

quote: I suppose the people walking down streets in Kabul and drinking coffee at Cafe's are paid by Ashley Banfield, Nick Robertson, and Steve Herrigan.....to say good things about the United States on live TV?

You are really a moron. But donīt worry, Iīm not meaning to insult you, just making a factual statement. What they do is interview 100, then show 5 who happen to say what they want to hear. This is what all media do; itīs their standard method. I would think you are the only person in the world not understanding that, but I suppose there are many more Americans like you...

	08-03-2002 10:03									#95
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quote: Originally posted by Comrade Tribune You are really a moron. But donīt worry, Iīm not meaning to insult you, just making a factual statement. What they do is interview 100, then show 5 who happen to say what they want to hear. This is what all media do; itīs their standard method. I would think you are the only person in the world not understanding that, but I suppose there are many more Americans like you...

Oh yes!


The only moron here is you. You can't edit live TV. Re-Read my post Bub.

	08-03-2002 10:04									#96
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quote: Originally posted by faded glory Ok kiddo......nice troll. I just got it now. Find me a Muslim who wants the government to ban his religon

Kiddo? Bugger off, jackass. You're the troll here. "There all pretty much...umm..devout!" Mmmm hmm. So are all Christians "devout"? Jews? Buddhists? Sikhs? Clear it up for me.

	08-03-2002 10:10									#97
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I would rather sleep now.

This is all bullshit..this thread has degenerated to a trollfest.


I dont know whats next tribune. Are you now going to tell me about the Zionist transmitters on the south pole that can edit live TV.


There is so much piles of Tribunes **** in this thread. Watch yer step

	08-03-2002 13:18									#98
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quote: I dont know whats next tribune. Are you now going to tell me about the Zionist transmitters on the south pole that can edit live TV.

We all know these stuff are impossible.


Eli to Zion, urgent message : liquidate individual faded glory. He knows too much.

	08-03-2002 14:28									#99
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http://www.eastcoasthappy.com/image...tes/taliban.swf

This is all i got to say.

	08-03-2002 15:20									#100
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quote: Originally posted by Sprayber http://www.eastcoasthappy.com/image...tes/taliban.swf This is all i got to say.

Thanks, I've heard about this animation some mounth ago, but couldn't have found it until now !

	08-03-2002 17:17									#101
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How do we know the feed is live? They could easily put a sign that says "live" on it. Don't be so naive to think that the media isn't filtered in some way. We get shown what they want us to see. I constantly flip through the major cable news networks only to see the same stories on all stations. That doesn't seem weird to anybody else? The producers and editors of those networks choose what news we hear and how we hear it. We get their interpretation of what really happened. I personally believe that America is so brainwashed, people are incapable of making their own decisions. Myself included.

	08-03-2002 19:25									#102
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quote: Originally posted by faded glory Ya Im glad Communism fading away to history now, your little piece of **** manifesto written by that smelly Dirtbag Marx, and your hateful bullshit. Hopefully,at this rate we wont have to worry about them in the 21st century.

Actually, the basic concept of communism is good.
But it's one of those concepts that work well in theory, yet fail utterly in practice.
Marx was not the problem particularly.

Back to "devout Muslims".
Also wrong.
The problem is with "devout" Muslims who bastardize the religion.
Same as any religion.

	09-03-2002 01:40									#103
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quote: Originally posted by Comrade Tribune Not really. The government that the Russians supported would have been very stable without US intervention.

Coup d'etats had already taken place prior to any US support for mujahaddin. and mujahaddin activity had begun before any US support began. Absent US intervnetion, it is still likely that the afgan communist factions would have undercut each other, and would have gradually lost ground to mujahaddin who would still have been supported by China, Saudi, Iran and Pakistan. USSR troops would still have arrived, leading to the more complete civil war. BTW, some of the bigger atrocities that triggered the spread of civil war were perpetrated IIRC by the afghan communists, rather than by Soviet troops, so the cycle of revolt, repression and more revolt is not tied in any particular way to the date of USSR troops arriving. That Brezhinski quote is a favorite of anti-americans who want to blame everything bad in afghanistan (as everywhere else) on US action. The logic from US giving aid to rebels before December 79 to US being responsible for every one is tenous and partisan.

LOTM

	09-03-2002 01:48									#104
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quote: Originally posted by Comrade Tribune No, in your piece of **** country the media control the government. You are really a moron. But donīt worry, Iīm not meaning to insult you, just making a factual statement. What they do is interview 100, then show 5 who happen to say what they want to hear. This is what all media do; itīs their standard method. I would think you are the only person in the world not understanding that, but I suppose there are many more Americans like you...

Er, uhm my wife was a reporter. She would consider doing what you describe as a violation of journalistic ethics. Some may do this, but to say that its standard method is a smear.

There are journalists on the ground from many different perspectives, including many non-americans, and ones from papers very unsympathetic to the US, such as the Guardian and the Independent (both UK) Even they have to go to refugee camps and traditionally pro-Taliban places like Kandahar to find anti-US man on the street interviews, such being very rare in Kabul.

LOTM

	09-03-2002 01:52									#105
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quote: Originally posted by Comrade Tribune Disagreement with the basic assumption of a thread is not a hijack. I didnīt change topic.

The question raised was about the progress of operation anaconda, NOT the morality or wisdom of coalition intervention in afganistan. Some of us would actually like to discuss strategic questions relating to the war. Your attempts to convert each such discussion into a debate about US morality, hegemony, press accuracy, etc tends to make this impossible, and thus interferes with free discussion. Thats why it is a thread hijack.

LOTM

	10-03-2002 06:31									#106
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quote: Originally posted by lord of the mark Some of us would actually like to discuss strategic questions relating to the war. Your attempts to convert each such discussion into a debate about US morality, hegemony, press accuracy, etc tends to make this impossible, and thus interferes with free discussion. Thats why it is a thread hijack.

So you mean introducing values/politics was my hijack? OK then, letīs leave morality/policy out of it, and discuss strategy totally unbiased and value-neutral. Taking US tech superiority into account, my question is: what should the Taliban do to kill as many American soldiers as possible and minimize losses of their own?

	10-03-2002 07:21									#107
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Good news on the war front, the al Qaeda dropping like flies, over 700 may have died in the most recent Operation Anaconda-- all this compared to minimal losses on the US side.

	10-03-2002 09:34									#108
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Speaking of small nukes; am I a man of vision or what?

	10-03-2002 09:36									#110
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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand Speaking of small nukes; am I a man of vision or what?

Did I miss something? Or is this about the "new plans" being drawn up for nuclear weapon use in certain nations?

	10-03-2002 09:37									#111
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Part of me is wondering if Slowwhand is watching a mushroom cloud rise over Dallas. The rest is just confused.

	10-03-2002 09:38									#112
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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse Part of me is wondering if Slowwhand is watching a mushroom cloud rise over Dallas. The rest is just confused.

Dallas, huh? Don't get my hopes up.
Just kidding, Sloww. Sorta.

	10-03-2002 09:40									#113
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No, I'm just saying that following the thread, it comes out about small nukes.
Just odd. That's all I'm saying. I think the notion is a bad idea.

	10-03-2002 09:41									#114
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quote: Originally posted by Comrade Tribune So you mean introducing values/politics was my hijack? OK then, letīs leave morality/policy out of it, and discuss strategy totally unbiased and value-neutral. Taking US tech superiority into account, my question is: what should the Taliban do to kill as many American soldiers as possible and minimize losses of their own?

From that perspective they should disperse and avoid engaging US/Allied armed forces entirely. They can't match them in training/firepower/mobility or almost anything else. They should never have tried to consolidate forces so soon after the Taleban were routed from power. Their only real strength lies in stealthy attacks conducted on isolated military targets of opportunity and upon civilians. ie: Standard Guerilla/Terrorist tactics.

	10-03-2002 09:53									#115
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quote: Originally posted by ravagon From that perspective they should disperse and avoid engaging US/Allied armed forces entirely. They can't match them in training/firepower/mobility or almost anything else. They should never have tried to consolidate forces so soon after the Taleban were routed from power. Their only real strength lies in stealthy attacks conducted on isolated military targets of opportunity and upon civilians. ie: Standard Guerilla/Terrorist tactics.

I think you underestimate them (a bit). They have numbers, and motivation. But I agree, they should wage an unconventional war. Still, they need a sort of power base for that, too.