11-01-2001 05:16									#1
	Magellan's Voyage (etc?) Tired of ads?

Why not have a special reward for being the first to circumnavigate the world using your actual units? My memory's atrocious, so I can't think of any other wonders that could be treated differently than in Civ2. For the first time each player sets foot on an alien landmass, maybe you wouldn't want a tangible reward, but how about a movie or something? If so, you surely should be able to turn it off before play, separate from turning wonder movies off. Maybe both of these things could be part of a SMAC Monument sort of feature.

	11-01-2001 05:22									#2
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This is something that has been implemented in Call to Power II. It's called a "Feat of Wonder". I think it's a neat idea. Others believe it just gives civs that are already ahead that much more power. I happen to like the idea, though.

	11-01-2001 05:32									#3
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well, I could say you have to be ahead to have the resources to allocate for wonders in Civ2.

	12-01-2001 05:05									#4
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Feats of Wonder.

Now, when I was editing the Wonders thread a year ago, a few people suggested something like what Brent is talking about. The first to circumnavigate the world gets a trade bonus or something. The first to reach the north pole gets a bonus. I didn't think much of it at the time because I was more interested in modifying and perfecting the more standard Wonders.

Then a few days ago I'm reading a Call to Power II review, and it mentions feats of wonder. The screenshot gives an example: The first civilization to retake a captured city. It sounds like a great idea, and it would make the "end replay" of the game a lot more interesting. And it would spice up the early game, so that it's not just explore, build city, explore, build city, learn tech, build city, etc. There would be a better historical "feel" to things. Especially when some far-off civ performs a feat of wonder, and the news reaches you. That would be cool. In the days before the mass media, only truly wonderous events would be spoken of halfway across the world.

Kraken, if I may ask: Do you have a list of all the Feats of Wonder in the game? (I'm not going to buy it, see, because, well, I played the original CTP...)

	14-01-2001 01:48									#5
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Here are the "FEATS of WONDER"..you folks might enjoy pondering....


FEAT_ADVANCE_CONCRETE {
Duration 15
Description str_ldl_0
EffectIncreaseProduction 5
SlicMessage "FeatGotConcrete"
}

FEAT_ADVANCE_GUNPOWDER {
Duration 25
Description str_ldl_0
EffectReduceCityWalls -5
SlicMessage "FeatGotGunPowder"
}

FEAT_ADVANCE_MASS_PRODUCTION {
Duration 15
Description str_ldl_0
EffectIncreaseProduction 5
SlicMessage "FeatGotMassProduction"
}

FEAT_ADVANCE_COMPUTERS {
Duration 15
Description str_ldl_0
EffectIncreaseScience 5
SlicMessage "FeatGotComputers"
}

FEAT_ADVANCE_ROBOTICS {
Duration 15
Description str_ldl_0
EffectIncreaseProduction 5
SlicMessage "FeatGotRobotics"
}

FEAT_ADVANCE_LIFE_EXTENSION {
Duration 15
Description str_ldl_0
EffectIncreaseHappiness 2
SlicMessage "FeatGotLifeExtension"
}

FEAT_THEATERS {
Duration 15
Description str_ldl_0
EffectIncreaseHappiness 5
SlicMessage "FeatBuiltTheaters"

Building { Building IMPROVE_THEATER Num 8 }
}

FEAT_BROKERAGES {
Duration 20
Description str_ldl_0
EffectIncreaseCommerce 10
SlicMessage "FeatBuiltBrokerages"

Building { Building IMPROVE_BROKERAGE Num 10 }
}

FEAT_INTERNET {
Duration 25
Description str_ldl_0
EffectIncreaseScience 10
SlicMessage "FeatBuiltInternet"

Building { Building IMPROVE_COMPUTER_CENTER Num 12 }
}

FEAT_SYNDICATE {
Duration 25
Description str_ldl_0
EffectIncreaseHappiness 5
SlicMessage "FeatBuiltSyndicate"

Building { Building IMPROVE_TELEVISION Num 15 }
}

FEAT_ORBITAL_LABS {
Duration 25
Description str_ldl_0
EffectIncreaseScience 10
SlicMessage "FeatBuiltOrbitalLabs"

Building { Building IMPROVE_ORBITAL_LABORATORY Num 20 }
}

FEAT_SAILED_AROUND_WORLD {
Duration 25
Description str_ldl_0
EffectBoatMovement 100
SlicMessage "SailedAroundTheWorld"
}

FEAT_CONQUERED_BY_FORCE {
Duration 25
Description str_ldl_0
EffectIncreaseHitPoints 1
MinimumSizeOfCiv 5
SlicMessage "FeatConqueredByForce"
}

FEAT_CITY_RECAPTURED {
Duration 10
Description str_ldl_0
EffectIncreaseHappiness 1
SlicMessage "FeatRecapturedCity"
}

FEAT_ADVANCE_CONCRETE {
Duration 15
Description str_ldl_0
EffectIncreaseProduction 5
SlicMessage "FeatGotConcrete"
}

FEAT_ADVANCE_GUNPOWDER {
Duration 25
Description str_ldl_0
EffectReduceCityWalls -5
SlicMessage "FeatGotGunPowder"
}

FEAT_ADVANCE_MASS_PRODUCTION {
Duration 15
Description str_ldl_0
EffectIncreaseProduction 5
SlicMessage "FeatGotMassProduction"
}

FEAT_ADVANCE_COMPUTERS {
Duration 15
Description str_ldl_0
EffectIncreaseScience 5
SlicMessage "FeatGotComputers"
}

FEAT_ADVANCE_ROBOTICS {
Duration 15
Description str_ldl_0
EffectIncreaseProduction 5
SlicMessage "FeatGotRobotics"
}

FEAT_ADVANCE_LIFE_EXTENSION {
Duration 15
Description str_ldl_0
EffectIncreaseHappiness 2
SlicMessage "FeatGotLifeExtension"
}

FEAT_THEATERS {
Duration 15
Description str_ldl_0
EffectIncreaseHappiness 5
SlicMessage "FeatBuiltTheaters"

Building { Building IMPROVE_THEATER Num 8 }
}

FEAT_BROKERAGES {
Duration 20
Description str_ldl_0
EffectIncreaseCommerce 10
SlicMessage "FeatBuiltBrokerages"

Building { Building IMPROVE_BROKERAGE Num 10 }
}

FEAT_INTERNET {
Duration 25
Description str_ldl_0
EffectIncreaseScience 10
SlicMessage "FeatBuiltInternet"

Building { Building IMPROVE_COMPUTER_CENTER Num 12 }
}

FEAT_SYNDICATE {
Duration 25
Description str_ldl_0
EffectIncreaseHappiness 5
SlicMessage "FeatBuiltSyndicate"

Building { Building IMPROVE_TELEVISION Num 15 }
}

FEAT_ORBITAL_LABS {
Duration 25
Description str_ldl_0
EffectIncreaseScience 10
SlicMessage "FeatBuiltOrbitalLabs"

Building { Building IMPROVE_ORBITAL_LABORATORY Num 20 }
}

FEAT_SAILED_AROUND_WORLD {
Duration 25
Description str_ldl_0
EffectBoatMovement 100
SlicMessage "SailedAroundTheWorld"
}

FEAT_CONQUERED_BY_FORCE {
Duration 25
Description str_ldl_0
EffectIncreaseHitPoints 1
MinimumSizeOfCiv 5
SlicMessage "FeatConqueredByForce"
}

FEAT_CITY_RECAPTURED {
Duration 10
Description str_ldl_0
EffectIncreaseHappiness 1
SlicMessage "FeatRecapturedCity"
}