08-03-2002 21:36									#1
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So Civ III has been out for about 4 months now. So I just thought it would be time for a Civ II survey. How many are still playing Civ II and how many play both of them?

I'm have just started to play Civ II and III again after a long break for about 3 months, due to some mayor PC overhaul and trouble plus schoolwork. At least I still find Civ II enjoying, even if Civ III is much more advanced, but as I stated in one ACS Column article in November, Civ II won't die out immidiately. So I'm just keen to know how well my speculation seems to have been right. Cast your vote!

	09-03-2002 01:32									#2
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Civ3 is now officially uninstalled here.In its current form,I am finished with it.Hopefully that will change.

Firaxis still has 2 slots with SMAC and SimGolf.SimGolf has been a very pleasant surprise.

	09-03-2002 01:45									#3
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I haven't played a game of civ III in two months. It's still on my hd, but I've been playing TOT recently. Maybe after another month or two I'll try civ III again.

	09-03-2002 03:15									#4
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Still playing Civ2 from to time. But I see Freeciv coming up fast in the rearview mirror!

	09-03-2002 18:07									#5
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At least one thing I have recently noticed is that ACS Civ II boards are much mure quiet than in December.

	09-03-2002 19:06									#6
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If I had known that it is nearly impossible to have scenarios with Civ3 I wouldn't have bought it!

	09-03-2002 21:35									#7
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Still playing Civ II MP... and waiting to see what Civ III MP will look like when it becomes available... I haven't played a SP game of either for a long time...

	10-03-2002 00:16									#8
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Like Smash - Civ III is now uninstalled (and from SG(2)'s machine as well, I believe) The King is not dead!!! He still rules! Long live the King!

	10-03-2002 00:17									#9
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... of course this poll could well look somewhat different were it in a Civ III forum ...

	10-03-2002 01:30									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Scouse Gits ... of course this poll could well look somewhat different were it in a Civ III forum ...

Well... it would depend on the time of day when you posted it.
If it was during the time when the "whiners" were the majority, you would probably get similar results.

But if the "fan boys" were in the majority...
Can you say WWIII

	10-03-2002 01:42									#11
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so true.I have taken to avoiding civ3 forums all together.

4 months after and I realize I wanted Civ2 with culture borders,unit capturing,great leaders,bombarding (with something besides spys),animated units and strategic resources.
Imagine these goodies in Civ2.That would be great.MP would be even better than it is now and scenarios would be something else!

	10-03-2002 07:55									#12
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As far as civ3 is concerned I'm still not touching it. No scenarios = No civ3.
civ2 OTOH is still just as good as ever.

	10-03-2002 08:02									#13
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only thing civ 3 is missing is MP !!

	10-03-2002 13:35									#14
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I could agree with Rasputin, but I also think that Civ III lacks proper scenario making opportunities, so that makes two big cons on my list. Looks like we might have to wait for that Civ III MP add-on for a while. At least one thing is for sure; there won't be anything new on the Civ II frontier anymore, unless a team of volunteers start to make a freeware add-on for Civ II. But that would require the permission from Hasbro Interactive (former MicroProse).

	10-03-2002 13:36									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Smash so true.I have taken to avoiding civ3 forums all together.

I haven't been there since December, but I suppose I won't get back there for a while.

	10-03-2002 14:45									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Rasputin only thing civ 3 is missing is MP !!

... but as I recall you never did like Caravans & Dips, Ras. That makes Civ III designed for you personally!

	11-03-2002 18:19									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Scouse Gits ... but as I recall you never did like Caravans & Dips, Ras. That makes Civ III designed for you personally!

Hmmm... is that why I like Civ III better than II? Strictly a matter of taste, of course, but for me Civ III fixes a lot of the things I didn't like in Civ II. It has its own problems of course, but I think the good outweighs the bad.

	11-03-2002 21:19									#18
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civ3 = , the last time i played was just before the first patch came out.

i still play civ2 MP occasionally and even started an SP game last week for some practice

	12-03-2002 18:23									#19
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I think posting this poll on the Civ3 forums would be a great validation exercise.

	13-03-2002 05:04									#20
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I stopped playing civIII just after the first patch. It's worthless until mp is available.

I do play CIVII MP twice a week still, for at least 12 hours of fun.

RAH

	13-03-2002 23:21									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Rasputin only thing civ 3 is missing is MP !!

and scenarios!

	14-03-2002 21:06									#22
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I'd say that Civ2 is the game i play most often...

I have quit playing civ 3 untill it plays at least as fast as civ2 on my old 486 66Mhz....


I mean, with all the scenarios out there, it is nearly impossible to get bored of it, and always a few weeks break is enough to get you wanting to play it again.

Also, i always try new ways for my expansionist-like-hell tactic in many different maps.

	14-03-2002 21:10									#23
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Besides, i've made enough time to start working on a map of Patagonia...

I have discovered a passion!!! I love map making!!!

	14-03-2002 21:32									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Ming I haven't played a SP game of either for a long time...

Please let us know if you feel like playing SP once in a while.

There is a GREAT civ2 succession game started by Julius Brenzaida ('the truest gift of the gods' on civ2 general forum), now close to glorious victory.

You would be heartily welcome as #1 member of the team for the one that should be started after that one is completed.

	15-03-2002 08:57									#25
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I have CivIII, i gave it a shot, thought it was okay, but then didn't really play it much. My friends persuaded me to play it again a few weeks ago, so i started a new game. My only problem is that i always get some error when trying to build cavalry and the game crashes. Anyone who has CivIII knows that trying to play through the mid-game without cavalry is nearly impossible... Sooooo i took up playing scenarios for CivII Far more fun in my mind. The only thing i miss is culture/borders, that's the coolest thing in Civ3 in my mind.

	15-03-2002 19:58									#26
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Cobwebs cover the Civ III shortcut and the CD is piled under several other stuff.
But SandMonkey is right, culture+borders are the real innovation and I also miss the "III" diplomacy screen, and so, sometimes, I gently remove spiders from their traps and I start to dig in my CD pile and then "click"... I'm on Civ III again.

... still jumping from "II" to "III"....

	15-03-2002 21:50									#27
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I still play SP every once in a while. Now that I'm on Spring Break for the next two weeks, I'm looking forward to some more of both Civ II and Civ III.

	17-03-2002 23:19									#28
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I never play Civ3; thisgame has been a great disappointment for me.
I still play Classic Civ1 and (mostly) Civ2. And I think I won't install civ3 again until it allows the scenario creation. And, of course, multiplaying.

	18-03-2002 02:49									#29
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I downloaded Civ3 a couple of days before it came out over here... I played one or two games halfway through (so I didn't even nearly get to the alleged late-game tedium), then used it mostly to test for deciphering the BIC format and then threw it off.

The funny thing is, I hardly play scenarios and never multiplay. It just adds too little and plays too slow on my (old) PC.
Besides, I'm still only playing at the King difficuly level, so I don't really need an improved AI yet. There are plenty of challenges left for me in Civ2, perhaps including playing scenarios and multiplaying. I also bought ToT not too long ago so there are some more challenges there. And finally, I really don't play Civ2 (or any games for that matter) very often these days, so I don't see the point in spending a rather large amount of money (I would have bought Civ3 if I liked it) on a game that won't have much "impact" on my life, so to speak.

Oh, and another thing, the Civ3 mapeditor was a step down from the Civ2 mapeditor... It has no overview map, no zoom function, and you can't easily switch between "brushes", And they couldn't even add any improvements like a flood-fill.

	18-03-2002 05:51									#30
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quote: Originally posted by The ANZAC If I had known that it is nearly impossible to have scenarios with Civ3 I wouldn't have bought it!

My thoughts exactly. I should have browsed Apolyton before I bought Civ3. I'm so bored of normal SP games... Civ3 will be a great game if/when Mp and scenarios are provided, though.