12-03-2002 10:15									#1
	Does Civ3 _feel_ like Civ2 to you? (4 options.) Browse Apolyton AD-FREE

I'm curious about how people will vote.

I'm not sure how to express it... just don't be nitpicky about the number of techs, or the inclusion of strategic resources or culture. I want to know about the overall "feel" of the game for you.

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	12-03-2002 17:19									#2
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Civ3 is a different game. It lacks the exploits of Civ2 but also has a certain pain factor. I think I should play Civ2 again for a fair comparison. Overall I like Civ3 but I wouldn't call it better than Civ2.

	12-03-2002 17:23									#3
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culture Rules !!!!

	12-03-2002 17:38									#4
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No, both are different games for me, and yes, I like Civ3, but I like Civ2 as well. Civ3 is harder to play and not yet so rich of options, and despite the fact that Civ2 knows more techs, strategic resources and culture makes Civ3 more complex. Civ2 is more fun to play, but much more exploitable. So if I want a challenge, I rather choose Civ3, if I prefer to relax and have fun, I take Civ2.

	12-03-2002 18:46									#5
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I think if I had started playing the Civ series with Civ3 it would feel very much the same as Civ1 and 2 did. After playing Civ 1 and 2, Colonization, and SMAC, Civ3 is somewhat less addictive. It is still an enjoyable game though.

	12-03-2002 19:22									#6
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Well I'm at the opinion that Civ3 tops Civ2 on a lot of fronts.
Though not revolutionary different, the differences in the game are for the better.

	12-03-2002 19:38									#7
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For me Civ3 is better than any previously civ game. It contains the best things from Civ1 and Civ2, while it has depth than never before.

I couldn't even dream about going back to Civ2 again!!!

	12-03-2002 20:28									#8
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I like Civ3 more than Civ2, although I haven't played Civ2 a lot.
I loved Civ1 but was slightly dissapointed with Civ2. But Civ3 is a great improvement over Civ 2 IMO

	12-03-2002 20:58									#9
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no it doesn't feel like civ3. the graphics, trade and espionage systems, and culture give it a different feel. and i don't like it. not because of the alterations per se, but more because it lacks MP (and to a lesser extent scenarios). if SP civ was still fun and interesting for me then, yeah, i probably would enjoy civ3, despite its shortcomings.

	12-03-2002 21:02									#10
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Voted #2. I like Civ3, but I don´t play it as much as I played Civ2 when it came out. I still play Civ2 today, mainly scenarios, I hope for MP and better scenario support for Civ3 too...

	12-03-2002 21:16									#11
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I voted #4 but I need to clarify... I don't not like Civ3, but at the same time I don't really like it either. It's not Civ2 because the graphics are much nicer, culture and trade are cool (but could have been made much better that they are currently), and the AI is GREATLY improved.

The reason I don't like the game (and it took me a while to realize what it was exactly) has two parts. One - the single player game has a terrible lack of options and strategies to pursue. It's pretty much the same every time. This could have been rectified by including multiplayer (no multi is part 2) but alas. Methinks Firaxis sure as hell better get Brian back if they are going to make a SMAC 2.

	12-03-2002 21:50									#12
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I like the "feel" of CIV3 compared to CIV2. I like the game concepts of culture and strategic resources and the move away from CIV as a fun but poor wargame. Given that I started to mod CIV3 way before I even thought of it for CIV2, I'd have to say that I like CIV2 (out of the box) better than CIV3.

	13-03-2002 10:44									#13
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quote: Originally posted by SpencerH I like the "feel" of CIV3 compared to CIV2. I like the game concepts of culture and strategic resources and the move away from CIV as a fun but poor wargame. Given that I started to mod CIV3 way before I even thought of it for CIV2, I'd have to say that I like CIV2 (out of the box) better than CIV3.

Personally, to me Civ3 feels a bit towards Aok than "pure" Civ ....... I just want a more polished Civ2 with a better AI

	13-03-2002 14:55									#14
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I'm actually still trying to figure out what they changed from Civ2. I think it was a much better game... and I have yet to see anything that truly sets Civ3 apart from the aforementioned...
The culture is good, the combat is different... but it still has the same problems as the last few.
For example:
I played on the world map scenario. I founded Washington DC where it should be.. and San Fransico where it should be.
San Fran can't produce anything due to corruption... why?

	13-03-2002 15:55									#15
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voted #2, the only thing I really hate in civ3 is the corruption. Even if my government is democracy, my cities have courthouse + policestation and there´s everywhere "we love the president day" - cities in distance from the capital or forbidden palace are nearly useless for production.
Has anyone tried to conquer the whole world on a huge map at higher levels and succeeded without changing the ci3mod-file?

	13-03-2002 19:14									#16
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quote: Personally, to me Civ3 feels a bit towards Aok than "pure" Civ ....... I just want a more polished Civ2 with a better AI

It feels like AoK?

quote: voted #2, the only thing I really hate in civ3 is the corruption. Even if my government is democracy, my cities have courthouse + policestation and there´s everywhere "we love the president day" - cities in distance from the capital or forbidden palace are nearly useless for production.

Yeah the corruption is extreme, and as you say this happens with a democracy that has the least corruption. Hopefully it will be addressed in a patch (or at least give us the ability to edit it better without jumping through hoops).

quote: Has anyone tried to conquer the whole world on a huge map at higher levels and succeeded without changing the ci3mod-file?

I'm pretty sure it could be done. It just means you raze the cities as you go rather than attempting to incorporate them into your civ (you just keep a few as air bases). I pretty much had to do that in one of the tournament games (#5 I think) where all of the other civs were aggressive. I ended up with my civ and a virtually clean map (but it wasnt a huge map and it was only monarch).

	13-03-2002 19:17									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Nebulus Has anyone tried to conquer the whole world on a huge map at higher levels and succeeded without changing the ci3mod-file?

Doesnt democracy eliminate corruption? Is this not the case on the higher levels? How do you change the civ3 mod-file?

	13-03-2002 19:35									#18
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In CIV3 democracy doesnt eliminate corruption (like it did in CIV2) but it has the least corruption. As far as I know we cant do any more except add buildings to reduce corruption. The effect of police stations reducing corruption in 1.17 comes from folks adding that mod prior to the patch (or was it the courthouse?). In the editor you can add "reduces corruption" to virtually any building. For me some make sense and some dont.