13-03-2002 01:54									#1
	Custom units part II Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

In case you're wondering what happened to "Custom units part 1", there never was one, it was called "Idea: units as in smac" or something like that, i lost that thread...

So this is a follow up on that.
Maybe first the basic idea of this mod...
You ready?, here it all comes in one sentence:
I liked the idea of making custom units like you could in SMAC so much, that i decided to make a mod that would allow you do this in civ3, in the game.

Now i have to tell you it won't be anything like in smac since that just isn't possible.

This mod changes units mostly, and adds a new tech here and there, but not too many.
First of all, you can forget all the standard units that came with the game, except for UU maybe.

Now there will be three different kind of units that you can build:
Platforms
Components
"Normal" units

an explanation of those:
Platforms:
These are units with the army flag checked, they can contain 2 or more components, this will be enforced by the use of the flags
"Can carry tactical missile"
"Carry foot units only"

Components:
These are the units that do the actual fighting, they have no movement, so must be loaded on a Platform to be used.
To exclude certain components from certain platforms, i will use the flags:
"Tactical missile"
"Foot unit"
"Mounted"

"Normal" units:
these are units that can't be seperated into 2 parts, like bombard units (bombard ability doesn't work with armies), and maybe also white units (no nationality).

Here's a preview for the Ancient era, components only:
(too damn lazy too make a nice html-table, so i just copied it from excel)
the "cost" column is just for comparison, too see which components are more expensive than others.
The new advance wood working will probably come before bronze working

code:

		Components			
	Name			Attack	Defense	Cost 	Advance
Ancient era	
	Stick			1	1	1	none
	Spear			2	1	2	Wood Working
	Wooden Shield		0	2	2	Wood Working
	Axe			3	1	3	Wood Working
	Bow			4	0	4	Adv. Wood Working
	Adv. Bow (Babylon)	4	1	4	Adv. Wood Working
	Bronze Shield		0	3	3	Bronze Working
	Bronze Armor		0	3	4	Adv. Bronze Working
	Sword			4	2	5	Iron Working
	Iron Armor		0	4	5	Iron Working
	Adv. Sword		5	2	5	Adv. Iron Working
	Samurai Sword (Japan)	7	2	5	Adv. Iron Working
	Immortals Sword (Persia)6	3	5	Adv. Iron Working

code:

		Platforms				
	Name	Movement	Space	Cost	Advance			Type
Ancient era	
	Peasant	1		1	1	none			Infantry
	Warrior	1		2	2	Warrior Code		Infantry
	Horse	2		2	4	Horseback Riding	Horse

Last edited by Lemmy on 14-03-2002 at 22:07

	13-03-2002 02:57									#2
	good Support Apolyton

good. I like it.

	13-03-2002 06:46									#3
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I was toying with this idea in my head, trying to figure out a Master of Magic mod with heros as army units. Nice work, I'll be interested to see how it works.

	14-03-2002 22:06									#4
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New info on the platforms (see the first post), i was thinking about making platforms cost one pop. point to make them more important.

If anyone wants to help with the components or platforms or anything, yes please, i'm having a little trouble with the modern components for tanks and infantry.

The graphics will also have to be made eventually...and not by me.

	18-03-2002 18:10									#5
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a little update on platforms and weapons once Gunpowder is discovered.

There are two periods, here, one before gunpowder, and one after gunpowder, here's what seperates them besides the advance.

Before gunpowder all platforms could carry two components, mostly because you could make a clear distinction between weapons, and armor.
After gunpowder, the weapon, the musket, is also the defense, so i decided to give a.g. units only one cargo space.

So what makes a.g. platforms better than b.g. platforms?
a.g. platforms can carry guns, b.g. platforms can't, and a.g platforms are probably faster too.
Now not everyone my be able too make guns because of a lack of saltpeter, so the b.g. units/platform/components will not become obsolete immediately, but they are less effective, the guns will probably be at least twice as strong as b.g. weapons and armor

	19-03-2002 02:27									#6
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It wouldn't work, army units can't be built except in a city with a small wonder with the "can build army units" in it.

	19-03-2002 16:28									#7
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i know that, it will still work, but you can only build platforms in one city, think of it as a central training center.

The military academy will no longer need a victorious army and can be built once a certain advance is discovered, or maybe just from the start, it will be cheaper than it is now, but it will still take you a while to built it, i'm thinking twice as long as barracks.


remember, this is part 2, it wouldn't be here if i didn't believe it could work

	22-03-2002 19:00									#8
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yet another update, about the middle ages this time.

code:
Components
	Name		Attack	Defense	Cost	Advance			Platform Type	Flags
Middle Ages							
	Pike		4	3	6	Feudalism		Infantry/Horse	Foot soldier
	Longbow		8	0	5	Invention		Infantry/Horse	Foot soldier
	Chainmail Armor	0	6	5	Chivalry		Infantry/Horse	Foot soldier
	Platemail Armor	0	8	6	Adv. Armormaking	Infantry/Horse	Foot soldier
	Musket		12	12	8	Gunpowder		Gunman 		Foot soldier/Tactical missile
	Adv. Musket	14	12	8	Adv. Musketmaking	Gunman		Foot soldier/Tactical missile
	French Musket	16	14	8	Adv. Musketmaking	Gunman		Foot soldier/Tactical missile
	Explosives	20	0	7	Chemistry		Infantry/Horse	Foot soldier

Platforms
	Name		Movement	Space	Cost/Pop	Advance		Type	Flags
Middle Ages							
	Trained Horse	3		2	6/1		Chivalry	Horse	Foot units only
	Musketeer	2		1	3/1		Gunpowder	Gunman	Foot units/Tactical missiles