14-03-2002 02:08									#1
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And I bet you thought it would be an official one too, hehe!!!

Well about 6 months ago I wrote a save game editor ( follow link below )
http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...30&pagenumber=1
I ( with the help of Gramphos ) started to pull appart the sav file format, and in turn we both came up with our own editors for changing parts the of the sav file, ie start locations, current year, etc, Gramphos soon caught up with me and started to implement adding and removing citys & units, and I started work on a visual editor ( one with a map of the world ), and then at this point I stopped work on my editor, ( just one of those things really ).

Well now 6 months on, I decided to come back to apolyton and see what the scene was, and what a supprise, not a single scenario editor in sight!!! But that's all about to change as I 've been working on my editor for the past week, and come this weekend you'll all have the very first beginnings of a scenarios editor (Unless firaxis come along and do one instead), things will be very basic to start with so please be patient.

This is not a joke (Gramphos can back me up on this, if he ever stops working on his school work!!!).

Cheers.
James.

	14-03-2002 05:11									#2
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Unfortunately, we'll have to wait for the XP for events.

I can't make my Star Wars scenario until I have events. Hopefully they'll be AT LEAST as powerful as those in Civ2.

Or else.

	14-03-2002 05:14									#3
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XP???

	14-03-2002 05:29									#4
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xp=expansion pack

	14-03-2002 07:50									#5
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Yeah!
Great jimmyh

Saluti

	14-03-2002 19:33									#6
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I hope to be able to clean up around my computer this weekend and should most likely find the info about units then. I'll send it to you if I find it.

Good to see that you are back to work with the editor.

	14-03-2002 21:30									#7
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Infogrammes issued a C&D order on a translation project because they planned to release it.... Do Firaxis plan to release a scenario editor? If so...

	14-03-2002 21:32									#8
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Hope fully I should have adding & removing Units and Entire Civilizations in the first build, although removing an entire civ from a save game will needs lots of testing, I'm going to post a thread on what people want in the editor, just so that I have a list of things to work from.

I had a look at the UNIT section last night, and I found tile XY, health, unit type, who the unit belongs to, etc, and what the unit is currently doing, ie irrigation, mine, etc. Also there are two things that change the nationalilty of the unit, int your editor you have owner and nationality, what's with that???

Any way must fly, work to be done.

Cheers.
James.

	14-03-2002 21:34									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Immortal Wombat Infogrammes issued a C&D order on a translation project because they planned to release it.... Do Firaxis plan to release a scenario editor? If so...

If they do then I shall stop, it's just the fact is that we don't have one at all, it doesn't matter where it comes from.

Cheers.
James.

	14-03-2002 22:53									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Immortal Wombat Infogrammes issued a C&D order on a translation project because they planned to release it.... Do Firaxis plan to release a scenario editor? If so...

There was some extenuating circumstances in that translation situation, it's not as black & white as it first appears.

	15-03-2002 00:32									#11
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I want to see the thread... go on jimm

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Ok,

If any one would like a (one) feature to be seen in the editor then post it here, I will then post a poll so that I can get some sort of order from it. You must only post once, wheather it be adding/removing units or citys, or that special feature so you can make that WWII scenario ( I hope some one does. )

I'll put up a poll of the list in about 24 hours.

Cheers.
James.

	15-03-2002 02:24									#13
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quote: Originally posted by jimmyh If they do then I shall stop, it's just the fact is that we don't have one at all, it doesn't matter where it comes from.

Yeah, true. And its great that you're doing it

quote: There was some extenuating circumstances in that translation situation, it's not as black & white as it first appears.

	16-03-2002 03:22									#14
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I know you can't put this in there, but, hey, why not?

I want an events editor.

	16-03-2002 03:56									#15
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Sorry, not gonna happen mate.

James.

	17-03-2002 18:14									#16
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quote: Originally posted by jimmyh Also there are two things that change the nationalilty of the unit, int your editor you have owner and nationality, what's with that???

I believe this would be how the game determines if you have a captured unit...such as when you have "Russian" workes but yet your the "Egyptians". I am guessing Nationality would be who originally created the unit and owner would be the player who currently controls the unit.

	21-03-2002 03:35									#17
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Are you still working on this or is it a dead project???

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	21-03-2002 03:46									#18
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He's working on it... at least he were yesterday

	21-03-2002 03:58									#19
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I'm still working on it, I spent quite a while putting in being able to set borders for each civ, but when you load the sav back up into the game, the borders get recalculated and change back to what they were.

Any way I'll keep you all posted.

Cheers.
James.

	24-03-2002 08:53									#20
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YES!! I've had a deep-seated yearning for a scenario editor ever since Civ3 first came out - I was wondering when/if anyone was ever going to make one. As for what I'd like the editor to do, well I could go on and on about that, but for starters something similar to the editor for Civ2 would do nicely (minus the events editor, obviously ). If I had to prioritize, I would have:
1) Unit add/remove w/ usual toggles (veteren status, health, etc)
2) City editor (improvements, population, food/shield status)
3) Diplomacy (reputation, attitude, treaties, etc)

It sounds like you have (1), but I haven't heard anything regarding (2) or (3). In any case, thanks for doing this - good luck!
-mathphysto

	30-03-2002 10:25									#21
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I'll wait for the official one before making any.

	31-03-2002 01:29									#22
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Would it be possible to add:

1) Tribe specific builidngs?
2) Government specific units (i.e. Stormtrooper for Facist govs or Fanatics for Fundamentalist govs)?
3) Civ-specific advances that can't be researched by other civs (sorry if this one has been covered elsewhere before)?

These three items would be particularly useful, if they are feasible to add to your editor.

	31-03-2002 02:34									#23
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Sorry I've been away for a short while, medical reasons and in and out of hospital, but I'm back now and work will continue on the editor, just waiting for some help in loading in the FLC animation files.

As for the previous post, all I'll say is that if you can't do it in the Civ3 editor then it's not possible at all. One feature I want is for units to require certain buildings to be build, ie Tanks require a Tank Factory.

Any one know if Gramphos has gone away for his week holiday yet???

Cheers.
James.

	08-04-2002 01:51									#24
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quote: Originally posted by jimmyh Any one know if Gramphos has gone away for his week holiday yet???

I'm gone...

...and back

	28-04-2002 19:19									#25
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Are you still open to suggestions jimmyh? If so I (and some others I think) would dearly love to see, if not necessarily edit, what AI civs think of each other. That would be game enhancing in my opinion. If you knew Liz hated Joan's guts, but Xerxes was dying to get into Joan's knickers, there might be an opportunity for some back of the Palace manoeuvres.
It was easy to find the bytes in Civ1. Each civ had eight bytes near the top of the save game file defining its relations with each other civ. Put a high aggression value in the right place and you could hear the nukes going off screen. Civ3 will no doubt be more complex but I wondered if you had found the spot.

	28-04-2002 22:05									#26
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I wonder if it wouldn't be easier to give civ2 all the culture options from civ3 - than to give civ3 an editor which is half as good as the one implemented in civ2.

good luck anyway!