14-03-2002 23:35									#1
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I recently downloaded this great patch that adds the Fascist style of government to Civilization 3. This government is a great government!
It makes money like a democracy but has war making abilities like communism.
I strongly urge anyone who likes war and money in their game to try this patch out.
After you have give me some feedback.

	14-03-2002 23:46									#2
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Sounds kinda like an "uber government" with no weaknesses. Could be fun to mess around with, but it kinda removes the need for any other government once you can switch to fascism, doesn't it?

-Arrian

	14-03-2002 23:47									#3
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No its not exactly like either of them trust me you should try it

	14-03-2002 23:51									#4
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Civ3 Fascist Government:INFO

Requires: Espionage

Corruption: Nuisance

Support Cost: 1

Free Units:
Town – 1
City – 3
Metro – 6

Rate Cap: 10
Worker Rate: 2
Assimilation: 1%
Draft Limit: 2
Military Police: 4

Flag Conditions:
Requires Maintenance
Standard Trade Bonus

Ruler Title: Fuehrer

Diplomats are: Regular
Spies are: Regular
Immune to: Steal Technology

Propaganda Resistance
Modifier Modifier
vs
Anarchy 25 -5
Despot 20 -5
Monarch 5 5
Republic -10 5
Democ. -20 5
Comm. -25 10
Fascist 0 0


Tech Advance Cost: 100
X – 455
Y – 159
PreReq – Espionage

	15-03-2002 00:10									#5
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This should be my dream come true... but it sounds too easy.

R

	15-03-2002 08:37									#6
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What are the weaknesses, if any? If there are none then it eliminates some of the challenges of playing Civ.

	15-03-2002 09:04									#7
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I would settle for a government that eliminates the endless wait between turns.

	15-03-2002 11:04									#8
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I think that type of gov't is too much powerfull!

I also created my own fascist gov't in my games, I set it like this!

Requires: Nationalism (that now is a more expensive tech)

Corruption: Problematic

Support Cost: 1

Free Units:
Town – 2
City – 4
Metro – 6

Rate Cap: 10
Worker Rate: 2
Assimilation: 0%
Draft Limit: 2
Military Police: 4

Flag Conditions:
Requires Maintenance
Standard Trade Bonus

Ruler Title: Dictator

Diplomats are: Regular
Spies are: Regular
Immune to: Steal Technology

Propaganda modifier (don't remember now... must check but I'm not at my computer now)
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That way the fascist goverment is really strong in the center of the Empire or for very little nations, but once the state grows too much you must switch to Democracy/Communism!
That way you can simulate a very strong nationalistic sentiment that of course expire where your boundaries are too far away mixed with other cultures or in city with not your native people!

It also give the chance to small civs to build big armies, have tons of gold and that way have a chance

I didn't change any civs to favor/shun it yet.... I'm still testing it!

Saluti

	15-03-2002 14:37									#9
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well as long as we are describing the various interpretations of fascism here is mine from the blitz mod, i have also changed the other forms around as well, but i will only list the modern three

Fascism
4 police
15 free 2/3/4 2 support
3 draft
no war weariness
trade bonus
2 worker rate
forced labor
0 assimilation
problematic corruption
regular spies
immune to tech steal

Democracy
0 police
1/2/3 2 support
1 draft
high war weariness
trade bonus
3 worker rate
paid labor
4 assimilation
minimal corruption
regular spies
immune to propaganda

Communism
3 police
4/5/6 2 support
3 draft
no war weariness
standard tile penalty
no building upkeep
3 worker rate
paid labor
3 assimilation
communal corruption
elite spies
immune to investigate city

	15-03-2002 15:12									#10
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quote: Originally posted by hannibcannib Ruler Title: Fuehrer

Why must everyone insist that fascism be directly linked to Nazi Germany? Napoleon was a fascist, so was Stalin in his own way. How about "Commandant" or even "Dictator" rather than the above. I wouldn't switch to fascism based on this alone.

Plus, it's spelled "Fuhrer."

	15-03-2002 19:39									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Kilroy_Alpha Plus, it's spelled "Fuhrer."

Actually hannibcannib is technically correct in his spelling of Fuehrer. The reason is that the North American keyboard does not have a u-umlaut (that's the u with two dots overhead) and so the equivalent is a u followed by an e. In german Fuehrer is spelled without the e following the u but the u has the two dots over it.

If anyone knows what the key combo is for the ASCII version of the u with the two dots over it than there you go.

Cheers

	15-03-2002 22:57									#12
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ü - alt + 0252

	15-03-2002 23:23									#13
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hey kilroy_alpha shut the **** up i never said i made it *****

	16-03-2002 02:23									#14
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See you in two weeks kilroy... posting links like that are against the rules here...

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	16-03-2002 09:25									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Kilroy_Alpha Why must everyone insist that fascism be directly linked to Nazi Germany? Napoleon was a fascist, so was Stalin in his own way. How about "Commandant" or even "Dictator" rather than the above. I wouldn't switch to fascism based on this alone. Plus, it's spelled "Fuhrer."

Wouldn't it be better to call it a Totalitarian government. Does have the stigma of fascism.

	16-03-2002 09:49									#16
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Link edited out by Ming


Omg...


That is ****in digusting dude! I almost yarfed up my ****in beer.


A$shole

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	16-03-2002 16:28									#17
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Faded: thank you for reporting this. Admins will take the action.

Kilroy, that's unethical, and it's a slight violation of our rules.

	16-03-2002 19:51									#18
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Fascism isn't the same as totalitarianism. Stalin was a totalitarianist (what a word...). Totalitarianism means that the state sets out to control each and every part of the lives of its citizens. Oceania, in Orwell's "1984" is the perfect totalitarian state. It's free of ideology, so to say, and merely a style of government.

Fascism is an ideology that stresses national unity, racial purity, the inferiority of other nations and intensive state propaganda in all media. The most unique traits of a Fascist government are that it is centered around a single strongman (Der Führer, Il Duce, Caudillo etc) and builds a militaristic cult, basically glorifying everything that has to do with war.


I sort of made a Fascist Civ government with

- the standard terrain bonus like in Communism
- cash rushing
- a huge number of free supported units
- very low culture-flip-modifiers.
- Diplomats and spies are reduced to conscript level
- 5 military police
- high worker efficiency
- no war weariness (duh)
- corruption as under Republic
- required advance: Communism (Yeah this sounds dumb, but communism and fascism are both modern phenomena and have more in common than advocates of both ideologies think.)
- 3 drafts per turn (fanatical resistance)

Unfortunately I never got to playtest it... :-(

	16-03-2002 21:33									#19
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Kilroy has been banned for two weeks.

	16-03-2002 21:40									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Kilroy_Alpha See you in two weeks kilroy... posting links like that are against the rules here...

Nice one Ming

	17-03-2002 05:42									#21
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what did kilroy do?

	17-03-2002 06:53									#22
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quote: Originally posted by hannibcannib what did kilroy do?

He posted a link to an "unexceptable" site. I don't want to go into the details... because it was DISGUSTING.

Needless to say, he won't be doing that again for a few weeks

	17-03-2002 09:04									#23
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Why do I miss all the fun?

fg's post made me

	17-03-2002 10:49									#24
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thanks a lot ming and i should not have said that to him but I AM NOT A FASCIST

	17-03-2002 10:53									#25
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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse Why do I miss all the fun? fg's post made me

I click on it thinking theres some kind joke to it. It reveals itself in my IE. While Im drinking some beer...Almost came up out of nose. I couldnt help to feel queasy.

Here pops a guy, with a big, no HUGE wide open ******* on IE..

There I freakin settled it. Stop bugging and asking what it was.


Now stop threadjacking this guys thread.

	17-03-2002 11:51									#26
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I do not need to see it. I stumbled across it posted by some loser in a newsgroup about 2 years ago.

I was better after my short term memory lost the image. I still get the willies from time to time when I *flash back* from long term memory, but it's been better lately.

Seriously folks, you do NOT want to see that pix.

Now, of course, you are all the more dying to see it. Go to rotten.com if you really need a fix.

Salve

	17-03-2002 12:12									#27
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Some things I just *don't* want to see.

Back to the original topic:
Arrian was right, a government NEEDs to have a downside, something that could prevent you from using it, otherwise its just a given that you will use that government. As posted by Herr David, the only downside to it is "Diplomats and spies are reduced to conscript level"... Like anyone uses that anyway!!

	17-03-2002 17:36									#28
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No, do not go to rotten.com , unless you're sick. IRL, I ban everyone who visits rotten.com immediately.

	17-03-2002 18:14									#29
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Ooooh, the nannies have arrived

	17-03-2002 21:06									#30
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Whatever. Reading over the stats posted (the first ones), fascism does indeed appear to be an uber-government for prolonged warfare. It's a cheap out, it seems.