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Jaguar
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Montgomery County, MD
Apr 2000
time: 00:18
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Originally posted by Guynemer
Maybe, just throwing out crazy ideas here, blacks are more successful in athletics because that's where our society accepts them?
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Thats certainly a crazy idea that should be thrown out. I think it's worthless too.  .
Just some more crazy ideas...
Maybe Asians are more successful in the classroom because thats where people accept them! Or maybe whites only do rock and pop music because thats where society accepts them!
Yes, I do think that certain races are better at some things than others. We shouldn't act like differences in abilities of different races don't exist. They do. I suppose we could argue about whether, say, asians are in fact smarter, or whether they just focus on school because that is what most of their race excels in. But not about whether certain races excel in particular fields more than others. So yes, if you define it that way, I am racist. That does not mean that I hate any specific race.My girlfriend is black, and my best friends are a kuwaiti/italian, a hispanic, a japanese/nigerian, a jew, a chinese/hawaiian, and two christians. I'm jewish. I think most groups are covered there.
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After all, you are a teenager with all the answers. |
I never said that. I just stated my opinion.
Last edited by Jaguar on 18-03-2002 at 10:52
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Tingkai
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To find the Northwest Passage
Aug 2001
time: 13:18
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Originally posted by FireDragon
Yes, I do think that certain races are better at some things than others. We shouldn't act like differences in abilities of different races don't exist. They do. I suppose we could argue about whether, say, asians are in fact smarter, or whether they just focus on school because that is what most of their race excels in. |
Where did you get this strange idea that Asians are smarter than other races. They are no different than blacks and whites. Some are smart, some are stupid.
There are some national differences. In Hong Kong, rote memorization is emphasised so people tend to be very good at things that require a high recall of facts. On the other hand, the overall amount of creativity in HK is lower than what you might encounter in other nations. Even then, there are still creative people.
Look around at your white classmates. Some are smart, some are stupid, some are athletic, some are not. Now if there is a wide diversity among whites, why would you assume that this diversity does not exist among other races?
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Tingkai
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To find the Northwest Passage
Aug 2001
time: 13:18
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Originally posted by FireDragon
My mom researched it, to prove there was a pattern and to try to get something done about it. |
She was able to get a teacher's personal employment records?
Sounds like she's quite a researcher. I mean she would have to find out which school the teacher was at, and who the principal was during the time the teacher taught there and then she would have to find out if the principal was white or black. Then she would have to get the records that showed the teacher had lodged complaints against the principal. Impressive.
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Adalbertus
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Cologne, Germany
Feb 2001
time: 06:18
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In England (and probably US too) it is simply not allowed to have such views, because to think that you are in some (non physical) way different to another group of people is classed as racist. |
Which is just one step away from racism itself. And it makes blind to the fact that you can get a well-built society only if you look at persons individually and try to get them the places they fit best. Quotas are a hinderance in doing that. -- Btw. the differences in intelligence, or physical abilities between members of a race are so much bigger than the differences in the mean of the races that the latter become obvious only if you compare the best of the best. There are certainly so many black people who play basketball worse than I do (I played my last game some 15 years ago ...), but NBA never was my place.
In school I think that numbers of pupils are too small to give a valid statistics on things like average intelligence (which, as I said, depends on culture), therefore quota simply are not the means to get a fair treatment. This requires a basic knowledge on statistics. OK, statistics require intelligence and this is something seriously lacking to white people, especially if they style themselves politicians. 
Another thing which seriously annoys me (more about the feminism in Germany but I think this is not really different in other places): There are lots of complaints that there are not enough women in technical jobs or in natural sciences (except perhaps biology). Nobody complains about having nearly no men as teachers in primary schools. To me, this gives the impression that the real goal is not to remove the suppression but to reverse the sign. And to be honest: I am against suppression of anyone, but if it has to be I want to be on the right side.
As to jazz: Jazz is a black form of music, what wonder that black people are doing better than white? Why should be there a problem for white people performing jazz if they like to?
My favourite music is renaissance and early baroque music. I've seen hundreds of singers (non-professionals) in Germany, England, and France. Only two of them had black origins (one is "really" black, the other had a black grandmother, three white grandparents). I do not really wonder about this, because this is an European heritage. Why should one forbid those two to sing? Why should one force black people (or refuse white people) to sing this sort of music until the percentage of the overall population is reached?
One other thing: If you try to distinguish between whiners and people with real complaints (which is usually not too difficult by the way they complain), you will find that the whiners often try to get an unfair advantage. People who know they are aiming for a position they are good for don't whine.
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Tingkai
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To find the Northwest Passage
Aug 2001
time: 13:18
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Originally posted by Adalbertus
Nobody complains about having nearly no men as teachers in primary schools.
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I seem to recall reading an International Herald Tribune article about concerns that the German education system was falling behind. One of the concerns raised was the dwindling number of male teachers in primary schools. IIRC, politicians and educators were trying to figure out how to reverse this trend.
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Tingkai
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To find the Northwest Passage
Aug 2001
time: 13:18
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So what are you saying. Are you trying to suggest that your mom made a few phone calls and was able to obtain the employment records of a teacher. Those records are normally confidential and based on my experience dealing with school boards, I find it highly unlikely that your mother was able to get this info. But, hey, I could be wrong.
Who did your mom talk to?
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Guynemer
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FD,
I never suggested that you were racist. I suggested that perhaps you needed to open your eyes to the world a little bit more, try to understand that people have different expectations of you depending on the color of your skin. Don't get a persecution complex.
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Adalbertus
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Cologne, Germany
Feb 2001
time: 06:18
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I seem to recall reading an International Herald Tribune article about concerns that the German education system was falling behind. One of the concerns raised was the dwindling number of male teachers in primary schools. IIRC, politicians and educators were trying to figure out how to reverse this trend. |
It is a fact that the German education was (and is) falling behind, but our politicians seemed to be quite surprised to hear about that in the recent PISA study. They really have to be blind. Ten years ago, at the university we were told that is was not a good idea to use exam problems which are older than ten years for preparing towards our own, because we couldn't solve them, and which is not our fault. -- Now I am really shocked about the high percentage of people with a really weak orthography (>1 mistake per line).
I still regularly read a german newspaper here in France, but never heard anything about concerns of having no male teachers. There is a severe lack of teachers in general (and nobody really wants to pay for them). Also homemade. I've heard talks about that this will happen since 1980. During the seventies, they hired every idiot provided he/she was able to put a piece of chalk to the blackboard, ten years later even the best young teachers (i. e. excellent exams and we as pupils had the impression to have learnt really a lot, and to have had lots of fun) had no chance. But what else would you expect if in at least one of the Länder the minister for education failed as a teacher at school?
And it's getting worse. Deficitary coal mining is more important than education.
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18-03-2002 10:22
Poetic justice is so sweet. 
That's an amazing knowledge about the specific career path of one teacher. When I was in school we never knew that much about the past history of our teachers, let alone what happened to them after they left our school.
IIRC she just called a bunch of people.
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