17-03-2002 19:02									#1
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I have the impression the Romans are occupying the north bulge of this continent.If we act fast we can lock them there by placing a "Fortress-city" on the red square.We just build a city there and place 3 garnisons in it together with a diplo(or two).This would make it impossible(or as good as) for the Romans to expand further. This city would be purely for strategic reasons...no more no less.It would give us a means of containing the roman empire until we make our final descision about what to do with them.
A second aspect that could be a plus is:the location of the city makes it possible for ships to take a shortcut.
We don't need to worry about getting the settler to do the job there are enough of them in production.
If you take a look at the screenshot posted with this poll you'll see what I mean.


I know this decission isn't entirely my territory(just the strategic part of it)So I would ask our foreign minister and our expansion minister to give me their vote of confidence.
(ie post here and say=> ok with me you have a go or No way with me,don't you dare even thinking about it.)

To get this resolution through the voting will go like this
==> the citizens vote
--> If I get a 50% pro we go to the second move:
at least 2 out of 3 votes:
1 vote= citizens(>=50% ==1vote pro)
1 vote for the each of the 2 ministers(foreign 1 vote, expansion 1 vote)
(I hope this is clear)

You all have 48h to vote

Shade

	17-03-2002 19:14									#2
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Here you have the screenshot.
As you can see they get locked on the north of the city.
(btw if there were to be already cities to the south the will be easy to take over since they can't get millitary support from the main part of the Roman empire+ they most probably won't be founded that long)Only units with a ignore ZOC could theoretically pass but we will see them(and with a few diplo's we can even "convince them to fight on the right side"

the only thing we have to bare in mind is happiness=> maybe we should start builing a happiness wonder(HG) or start a wonder to change it when we have the possibility to build Mikes...this could save us a lot of valuable time...(but that's the job of the cityplanner to convince all of you about that.)

Shade

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	17-03-2002 19:23									#3
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I say build that city.

	17-03-2002 19:47									#4
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My idea exactly.

Go vote for the second poll in a few minutes(just need to put up the screenshot.)

Shade

	17-03-2002 19:54									#5
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Do we know if they (Romans) have expanded past that point?

	17-03-2002 20:04									#6
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The screenshot you have are all the Roman cities that are visible(and I don't want to cheat )but I'm quite sure there probably won't be or maybe just one when we get back with our settler and warrior/phalanx...I don't know but If there is one I ask the president to let me know as fast as possible so we can decide what to do with it=> "subvert"/KILL/just let it be?
(I would then suggest to subvert,take it appart piece by piece and do whatever we find appropriate )

Screenshot is up with the second poll.

Shade

	17-03-2002 20:10									#7
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We need to get a diplo into the Roman empire

	17-03-2002 20:16									#8
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quote: Originally posted by Gramphos We need to get a diplo into the Roman empire

We could us the one New castellion is building,I guess it will be ready around the same time the strategic city can get build.
We really need more info about those Romans and indians...I guess the foreign advisor will have a full-time job.(currently there is a trireme with a diplo near the Indian city==> our Foreign minister should desside what to do with it explore/embassy?)

Shade

	17-03-2002 23:28									#9
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Go and steal Roman lebensraum now! Let's build that city.

	18-03-2002 01:23									#10
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yes, let´s do it,

I think that Rivertown has just finished a settler

	18-03-2002 02:34									#11
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I voted NO. If we build that damned city, we're going to be attacked by the Roman faster that you can spell anticonstitutionaly!
What could you expect, if you're confining the Romans to a little square?

Like shade wouldn't know this...

	18-03-2002 02:39									#12
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Itd be ok I guess

	18-03-2002 03:40									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Zealot I voted NO. If we build that damned city, we're going to be attacked by the Roman faster that you can spell anticonstitutionaly!

let's see:
A-N-T-I-C-O-N-T-I-T-U-T-O-N-A-L-Y
oeps,again...
A-N-T-I-C-O-N-T-I-T-U-T-I-O-N-A-L-Y

Darn again,and this time I'll get i right:
A-N-T-I-C-O-N-S-T-I-T-U-T-I-O-N-A-L-Y

You see I already spelled it and they didn't backstabe us yet

quote: What could you expect, if you're confining the Romans to a little square?

But it is easier to keep them confined by just defending and watching their bodies pille up against the citywalls then containing an empire with way to much possibilities to spread like a disease.

quote: Like shade wouldn't know this...

I know this(and everyone does) but I just expect them to wait long enough to get a true Fort there wich no-one could ever take.

quote: Itd be ok I guess

thanks for the vote of confidence.

Shade

	18-03-2002 07:49									#14
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Nothing succeeds against an AI like giving them an annoying immovable object to waste their offensive units on. In fact, as soon as we have the ability, add a pikesman and an archer. Then change the terrain to hills or even mountain if the surrounding terrain will support the city. The Romans will be using up catapaults on it to no effect for millenia

	18-03-2002 11:58									#15
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Unfortunately, we need Explosives to turn city terrain into hills or mountains (and even then IIRC we can't make mountains!)

	18-03-2002 14:26									#16
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AS Foreign Minister, I say Yes to the propose of build fortress city, we should stop the Rome!

	18-03-2002 15:47									#17
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A city held by a colonial power to give them a strategic advantage in someone else's terrain? Hmm, when we get to naming this city, why do I keep thinking "Gibraltar"?

	18-03-2002 17:16									#18
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Yes, we need to build at this very strategory location! The Roman threat must be contained! (Never mind that they're damned pathetic! )

	18-03-2002 18:36									#19
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quote: Originally posted by adamsj AS Foreign Minister, I say Yes to the propose of build fortress city, we should stop the Rome!

that means I get the 2 votes of confidence of the ministers and 95% of the population to support me (at this time)
==> I have the slight impression the city will be founded

quote: Yes, we need to build at this very strategory location! The Roman threat must be contained! (Never mind that they're damned pathetic! )

==> so we can keep them pathetic and (ab)use them like we want...and fight the stronger nations to pathetic-dom.

Shade

	20-03-2002 17:07									#20
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The ppl and the council have voted there will be a strategic city to contain the Roman empire.
orders are send right now.

If there would be 1 or 2 cities outside the "contained airea" these will be "converted"(bribed or killed ) as soon as we have the resources to do so.

Shade,proud of his nation and fearless citizens.