25-01-2001 19:50									#1
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It has been suggested there be "corporation civs." After hearing about the Texas 7, I thought, what about a civ of criminals? They would have the abilities of spies (killing a citizen, destroying improvements) and would be a super stealth unit. In cities, it would appear as a member of the population. If they struck in a city, they would cause disorder that could only be stopped by building a police station (fear of attack). Also, how to catch a criminal: first, they will automatically die in 5 turns, but, they have 10 moves and can move after attacking. To kill them before the 5 turns, attack them with a military unit or police. Police-unit that can see criminals 2 squares away, only built in cities with a police station. But anyway, when you attack a criminal, they will have a 75% chance of fleeing as opposed to 50% (see a topic I started, Misc. Ideas)

	26-01-2001 00:34									#3
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Or organized crime is simply the corruption that a government has in a city.

Not that this isn't a good thought, I just don't really want to worry about more micromanaging dealing with escapee criminals running around.

	26-01-2001 06:22									#4
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I agree with not enlarging the micromanagment aspect of the game. But here's an idea. What about incorporating some of the stealth ideas of the criminal into the spy unit?

	26-01-2001 08:25									#5
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Jer8m8, being in New York has gone to your head, cuz come on government control criminals? the only thing that should come close to the unit you described should be like barbarian terrorists or something kind of terrorist

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	26-01-2001 08:29									#6
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A civ of smugglers sounds more likely... a criminal civ would be hard to organize... perhaps a mob or smuggler civ that trades heavily... perhaps...

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	26-01-2001 21:44									#7
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What I meant is that the criminal units will not belong to any one civ-they will belong to a "crime civ" that plagues all countries. In ancient times they produce barbarians, and in more modern times, criminals. They do not need cities; they can use your cities as home cities. THEY WOUILD BE AN AI CIV, similar to the idea that corporations would be seperate entities.

	27-01-2001 01:55									#8
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fine with me if these guys don't have their own cities. civ II brought some versatility into Civ I's concept of barbarians. We can expect even newer stuff (like your suggestion, for example) in Civ III.

	27-01-2001 10:39									#9
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Jer8m8, since you cleared a bit about your idea, i agree on what you suggested, kind of remindes me of my topic on barbarian terrorists

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	30-01-2001 05:50									#10
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Another part of the criminal civ: sea going pirates

	30-01-2001 07:54									#11
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Yes! Pirates would be a great idea. I have always hated how the ships that deliver them barbarians never get to land. I think Barbarian Frigates and Caravels should roam the seas as well, preying on mercahnt shipping.

Also: Why should barbarians stop in the modern era? I think a terrorist unit should be made, that is on the side of the barbarians (and fundamentalists, maybe) that has certain abilities and is invisible as per submarine.

	30-01-2001 19:28									#12
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Having pirates in CIV3 is an excellent idea!

	31-01-2001 10:08									#13
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Another idea: train robbers. They would either hurt a unit traveling on the railroad or they would stop a unit on the rails and take x gold from your coffers. 1%?

Also works as wagon robbers