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btw, i fail to see how the "battleship-sunk-by-phalanx" issue has anything to do with units being customizable or not...
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down th' pub
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Chasin' Shadows in the Rain
Dec 2000
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Great feature to include, one of the best from SMAC.
Puzzled me too. But we do have ranged weaponry too, so the battleship can bombard and not take any chances with that pesky phalanx!
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Jon Miller
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MarkG I think he was refering to the upgradability or maybe it was just bad grammer on his part and he had saked the question and got it answered (and just communicated poorly)
this could be done very cool
Jon Miller
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Not to worry you probably will not be able to build some items. However if you can build some items, and somebody wants to have fun and build them why not. The game sounds like it is going to be lots of fun. A lot of people have been asking for a lot of new things. If you remember and played Civ 1, you will remember that it was a very new game and a lot of fun to play. When Civ ll came out it was a lot better than Civ 1, and I believe when civilization 3 arrived it will be like No. 2 it will be a lot better and most people will be very happy with it.
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Theben
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Dance Dance for the Revolution!
Jan 1970
time: 00:12
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quote:
Originally posted by EnochF on 02-01-2001 07:45 PM
Great. Well, we'll see how they manage to avoid dumb combinations like the "Submarine Archer," the "Internal Combustion Phalanx," and the "MiG Fighter with a Pike."
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Well, if they include limits based on the chassis, like a min-max att/def/move, you won't have to worry about that (although this too should be customizable from a file for scenarios).
It sounds like they intend to use the "unit workshop" from SMAC, including the ability to upgrade your units in the field by spending some cash (the "similar upgrade feature"). Just one thing: let players be able to "retire" ALL units in the workshop! I HATED not being able to get rid of those ancient early units of SMAC!
btw, I thought the "battleship sunk by phalanx" went out with civ1. OR did CtP re-introduce that feature? 
tniem:
Sounds like they plan to use the various "Terrain1" landscape images, but instead of having 6 bushels, 2 shields, & 3 trade arrows on the city square you'll have 1 BIG bushel with a 6 in it, a shield w/ a "2", etc.
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Yog-Sothoth
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Trondheim, Norway
Sep 2000
time: 06:12
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I didn't like the unit workshop much in SMAC, but that was because of the units were hard to distinguish and they looked utterly stupid. Didn't care much the interface either.
But with more easily recognizable historical units and a better interface I think it will be great. I have no doubt it will be easy to distinguish different chassis from one another, but I'm kind of wondering how they will do it between different versions on the same chassis. I don't want different "main" colors on my unit to do this, it would just look a stupid with a bright red tank. Hopefully there will be an easy and fast way of getting additional unit information.
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Grumbold
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London, UK
Mar 2000
time: 05:12
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Purely speculative, but I would hope that certain unit upgrades (spear, bow, crossbow, musket etc) would disappear from the picklist as new techs are found or, even better, when you marked as obsolete all the unit types you had built that used them.
In terms of distinguishing between units, weapons and armour for footsoldiers should be obvious to spot. Modern infantry could have differing camo patterns if nothing better springs to mind. Telling the difference between modern smallarms could be trickier, but then I don't see that as a problem. Cavalry can have visible weapons and armour and change horse colour if there is a movement upgrade. Tanks and artillery can get bigger and more modern looking chassis and larger main guns. It isn't that difficult, really. I'm sure it will become second nature to identify them.
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tniem
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Hope College
Apr 2000
time: 00:12
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EDITED: Double Post.
[This message has been edited by tniem (edited February 02, 2001).]
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Dan Magaha FIRAXIS
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The Metropolis known as Hunt Valley
Mar 2000
time: 00:12
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Just a quick note, as I didn't catch this until this afternoon.
First off, the author of that article on Twin Galaxies was directed to check the website for more information about the game, and he apparently read the Ask the Civ Team section, specifically the question about players being able to create custom units.
He apparently interpreted that answer to mean that we would be including a design-workshop type system in Civ III.
We will *not* be using a design workshop, nor will there be any type of "mix and match" unit designer.
What we said was that there will be significant tools available for mod creators and everyday users alike to create their own units and import them into the game. While the design workshop was an interesting feature of SMAC, its design constraints are wholly inappropriate for a game that covers as much ground as CivIII.
We have sent him an email correcting him and apologize for any confusion that this has caused. As we said in our email to him, our main concern with custom units is to allow maximum flexibility for mod and scenario authors and those of you who've labored on SMAC mods or scenarios know how limiting the design workshop can be. We're aiming for at least the level of customizability that Civ II offers, and then some.
Thanks,
Dan
Firaxis Games, Inc.
[This message has been edited by Dan Magaha FIRAXIS (edited February 02, 2001).]
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Jon Miller
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Woohoo
(yes I know I celebrated for both results (the fake and the actual) but that is because I trust that Firaxis will make that part good and I like both ways of doing it (and I agree with Dan that Civ could not be done the same as SMAC, even though I do think that there could be still a good way for people to design their armies (like 5000 light spear men, 1000 swords men and 2000 bow men) which is why I said it could be cool))
Also note, I think Firaxis would make a good starcraft unique civ likee game, I just think they could do better
Jon Miller
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Theben
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Dance Dance for the Revolution!
Jan 1970
time: 00:12
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quote:
Originally posted by Harel on 02-02-2001 07:40 PM
Well, people, let's think about it this way... Dan could have catched this debate after 300 posts and 4 flame wars, ten fully detailed models on how do it properly, 28 different suggestions for Chassise, 47 different weapon types, and about a hundred or so different rules and regulations.
Let's say a prayer that it's only been 25 posts, yeah? 
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Apparently you missed the part in the Lists and other "300 posts and 4 flame wars, ten fully detailed models on how do it properly, 28 different suggestions for Chassise, 47 different weapon types, and about a hundred or so different rules and regulations" on this forum over the last year and a half.
Well as least we finally have an answer. I thought it might be interesting to see how a unit workshop could fit into civ3, but perhaps it's just as well. It wasn't that important to have, IMHO.
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