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Monk is offline Monk
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Lars-E - Greenland does not have an actual parlament, but is automatically granted 2 seats in the Danish one. In addition to that, Greenland does not have an independent foreign policy and the constitution clearly states it's a part of the Kingdom of Denmark along with the Faroe Islands. It's not a sovereign country by a reasonable definition. It's correct that there was a lot of talking going on recently, but without actual progress. It's not entirely fair to say the Danes have a "grip" on anything, because the only reason Greenland hasn't achieved independence is that it would basically mean giving up financial support from Denmark. They're not going to be independent, ever, not unless they somehow find oil and a way to reach it.

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Mike, it's Ceredigion, not Ceredidgion.

Also, just wait until Iain sees that Greater Manchester is a county...

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WOW!! This is how quickly so many Europeans and an Israelite respond in less than 12 hours of posting this thread!!

But really though -- I read each and every one of the posts. Some interesting comments.

Thanks for your comments, and I look forward to future ones on this thread.

As for the history of European countries, I know the basic history of England and then Great Britain starting from Roman era. As for the hundreds of different German states, Prussia, and then Imperial Germany and afterwards, I know its basic history. I also know the basic history of France from Roman era onwards.

Unfortunately, I am ignorant to many of the current political policies of contemporary European countries. I need to find some time to read about contemporary Great Britain, France, Germany and maybe a couple of other countries.

Your comments about the importance of United State's history so far have made sense to me, and what I expected. It is just not so important to you guys -- after all, like some of you mentioned, your country's history is much older and have more achievements and falling backwards than my country.

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Mike, it's Ceredigion, not Ceredidgion.

Also, just wait until Iain sees that Greater Manchester is a county...


I copied and pasted from http://www.counties.co.uk all errors are theirs. About Greater Mancs:

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The Metropolitan Counties of Greater Manchester, Merseyside, South Yorkshire, Tyne and Wear, West Midlands and West Yorkshire remain as geographical counties, but were abolished as administrative areas and replaced in 1995 with 36 Metropolitan Councils.

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I know something about the history of the US, because I have this box-type thing called a TV, but over here in the Netherlands, US history isn't considered as really important.


Y'all have TV's now? How about soft toilet paper for our little tushies when we're on vacation?

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I copied and pasted from http://www.counties.co.uk all errors are theirs. About Greater Mancs:



Cheers...

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In most USA television shows I see, whenever somebody is going to Europe, they just say they are going to Europe, without mentioning a specific country, let alone region. Is this general in the States, looking at Europe as one generally equal continent. Or are you looking it more like a collection of different countries/cultures, etc.??


I'd say most Americans see Europe as a collection of differeent countries. The statement has more to do with the distance in travel (going to Europe is a long trip accross the ocean...where you go after is a smaller detail.) Also, in some sense Europe is America's birthmother. But almost all Americans have very mixed European bloodlines. So we see the entire continent as our starting place.

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I know all 50 states

I know quite a bit of US history

I learned bugger all about US history in school

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I know all 50 states


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Challenge me on ANY european capital


How about Turkey?

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Hell no. But I'd say most know the biggies, and can find them on a map.


This is about right. Interesting aside: When I backpacked around the world and educated people asked me what part of the US, I was from, I said, "San Diego". They didn't know where that was. Maybe like an austrian saying he's from Graz. I started saying, "Southern California", when asked.

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Not California and your forgot at least one more state.


Idaho?

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C'mon Lars-E. Most of these are just islands and not sovereign states.
Wales: Cardiff
Scotland: Glasgow
Ireland: Dublin
I used to know Greenland ...Nuuk???


Scotland and Wales are not "sovereign states". They don't have independant armies and foreign policies. Who cares if they have their own soccer teams in the Euro Cup?

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I had a reasonable amount of US history at school, but mainly focusing on the Revolution, the Mexican War, the Civil War and the Depression. I didn't get any modern US history (but I think I could have - I just didn't take the right courses).

I probably have learnt more US history/facts post-school. I am fairly sure I could name all the US states, although it would take me a while and I couldn't get all the capitals (I would be struggling to point them out on a map - I would get the southern states muddled up I think). I am positive that I couldn't name all the English counties, German states or French pays.....

I used to be able to name all the US presidents (and all the English Kings) in order, with dates, but there is no way I could do that anymore (I was a sad kid....).

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I've gone through 12 years of education without any devotion to any period in U.S history apart from WWII and the Cold War because understanding of these periods are the most relevant for the average citizen of this country. The history of Germany, the U.K, the other Scandinavian nations and on some occasions France often takes precedence, because the conditions in these countries affected Denmark and the Danes directly, unlike events in America prior to WWII.

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Scotland and Wales are not "sovereign states". They don't have independant armies and foreign policies. Who cares if they have their own soccer teams in the Euro Cup?


Scotland has its own parliament which makes it as least as sovereign from the UK as say Florida is from the US.

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What's the capital of the Austrian Bezirk (~destrict/county) Landeck ?



wha???

That's not one of the 9, no?

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Scotland has its own parliament which makes it as least as sovereign from the UK as say Florida is from the US.


That's exactly what I mean. Florida and Alabama are a whole different kettle of fish from the USA, Germany, etc.

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Hmm, quick exercise in knowledge... trying to order it roughly geographically... (and failing miserably a few states in probably )

Alaska
Hawaii
California
Oregon
Washington
New Mexico
Nevada
Arizona
Iowa
Idaho
North Dakota
South Dakota
Nebraska
Wyoming
Texas
Indiana
Kansas
Tennessee
Louisiana
Mississippi (sp?)
Missouri
Kentucky
Michigan
Ohio
Illinois
New York
New Jersey
Rhode Island
Vermont
Connecticut
Massachusetts
North Carolina
South Carolina
Virginia
W. Virginia
Maryland
Maine
Colorado
Wisconsin
Olkahoma
Alabama
Minnesota
Florida

does DC count as a state?

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Arkansas
Delaware
Utah
Pennsylvania
New Hampshire
Georgia

The ones I couldn't remember are at the bottom. Sometimes the easiest ones are the ones you forget...

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The Metropolitan Counties of Greater Manchester, Merseyside, South Yorkshire, Tyne and Wear, West Midlands and West Yorkshire remain as geographical counties, but were abolished as administrative areas and replaced in 1995 with 36 Metropolitan Councils.


Which is what I argued all along...

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does DC count as a state?


Only in thier dreams.

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I'll try as many as I can think of right now without looking them up... should I forget any, tough titty... I've counted all of them up before, and I've definitely heard of each before

Washington
Oregon
California
New Mexico
Utah
North Dakota
South Dakota
Texas
Arkansas
Kansas
Iowa
Michigan
Illinois
Wyoming
Tennessee
Kentucky
Indiana
Idaho
Louisana
Florida
Georgia
Virginia
West Virginia
New York
New Jersey
Rhode Island
Maine
Vermont
Pennsylvania
Massachusetts
Mississipi
Missouri
Wisconsin

just a few of 50 so far.... let me think a little longer, but tell me any state and I'll say damn I kenw that one as well.... hmm

damn, can't think of any more right now, but I know them all

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I'll try as many as I can think of right now without looking them up... should I forget any, tough titty... I've counted all of them up before, and I've definitely heard of each before

Washington
Oregon
California
New Mexico
Utah
North Dakota
South Dakota
Texas
Arkansas
Kansas
Iowa
Michigan
Illinois
Wyoming
Tennessee
Kentucky
Indiana
Idaho
Louisana
Florida
Georgia
Virginia
West Virginia
New York
New Jersey
Rhode Island
Maine
Vermont
Pennsylvania
Massachusetts
Mississipi
Missouri
Wisconsin
Alaska
Hawaii

just a few of 50 so far.... let me think a little longer, but tell me any state and I'll say damn I kenw that one as well.... hmm

damn, can't think of any more right now, but I know them all

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yeah yeah, I added Alaska and Hawaii

Delaware! Nebraska! Oklahoma!

reading through Lindley's post makes me feel so stupid... crazy how I didn't think of those...

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Carolina

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Is DanS a statehoods righter? For DC??

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I knew there was a north and south thing on the east coast (carolina that is)

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For the middle-aged European Apolyton members, do you remember to what extent the history of United States was taught in your history courses/classes in primary education??


I'm probably what you understand as middle-aged. But as a consequence I've learned/read/seen so much that I cannot tell of everything whether I've heard it at school or not. Hm. So. Might be interesting for you: I'm German.
Early settlement of the Americas was more from the Spanish/Portuguese point of view. For New England, yes we have heard about the triangle of slavery.
Next station was the declaration of independence/human rights(and their forethinkers in Europe)/independence wars (supported by France and Prussia for obvious reasons).
Civil war,
First World War, and isolationism (mainly because of their influence on Europe), Recession
Second World War
Cold War, and USA as a super power.
I left school before the Cold War was finished.

From the Red Indians, we heard mostly about Inka and Aztecs, probably because they are not many groups of which one could try to reconstruct a substantial part of history.

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Do most Europeans know all 50 of our states?


I do not. Never bothered to. I know all the German Länder but 16 is not so much. Once we had more than 300! Yeah! (No sorry, that's not factorial of 300).
Of other countries I usually know the province I'm living in if it is more than four weeks. Anyway I'm more interested in cities than in provinces. (e.g. Boston .... Massachusetts, Chikago .... Illinois).

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What about telling us the capital of Macedonia...

eaaaaasy
in ancient times: Pella
in modern times: Thessaloniki


Third answer: Skopje. Which is the capital of the not-really-independent-but-would-like-to-be-or-perhaps-not-depending-on-who-rules-in-Belgrad Yugoslavian province Macedonia.

quote:
Stuck-up Austrian dish? Apple pie must be derived from it if it's not the same


Please, please. Go to England, have an apple pie, go to Austria, have Apfelstrudel, and note that the dough is completely different. (As usual in Europe, it is not advisable to try it somewhere else. Sometimes you'll even get different stuff with the same name.)

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How about Turkey?

O yeah, with mushrooms and cognac!

Btw. It's a while since Turkey had a European capital.

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Scotland has its own parliament which makes it as least as sovereign from the UK as say Florida is from the US.

As well as all of the German Länder. What is the Capital of Hessen? (no Germans, please)

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I'll try as many as I can think of right now without looking them up... should I forget any, tough titty... I've counted all of them up before, and I've definitely heard of each before

Washington
Oregon
California
New Mexico
Utah
North Dakota
South Dakota
Texas
Arkansas
Kansas
Iowa
Michigan
Illinois
Wyoming
Tennessee
Kentucky
Indiana
Idaho
Louisana
Florida
Georgia
Virginia
West Virginia
New York
New Jersey
Rhode Island
Maine
Vermont
Pennsylvania
Massachusetts
Mississipi
Missouri
Wisconsin
Alaska
Hawaii

just a few of 50 so far.... let me think a little longer, but tell me any state and I'll say damn I kenw that one as well.... hmm

damn, can't think of any more right now, but I know them all


HEY!! You remember Iowa! But I guess by reading where I am from, that kind of gives the answer.

So British people today, are not interested in learning about how Americans kicked ass in the Revolutionary War, and the War of 1812??

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Btw. It's a while since Turkey had a European capital.




But it's still a European country...

 
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