21-03-2002 21:27									#1
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Should the Holocaust be in the World war 2 scenario

	21-03-2002 21:54									#2
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It's historicaly accurate, but will it really add to the game or does it just rub salt into too many peoples wounds? In an ancient scenario these games do model slavery and you could argue that what your proposing is no different.On some levels you'd be right but on another it does seem a little like trying to 'glorify' what a specific people in the historical present went through. Ask yourself if you were Jewish would you want to play it? If you wouldn't then maybe alienating a section of the scenario playing public isn't the best thing to do???
If you don't have a problem with it on any level then i can only asume you are actually a Nazi lover trying to inflict your passion's on unsupecting CTP2 fans I hope i'm wrong. At the end of the day i doesn't bother me as such - I'm just not sure if you've really thought it through in all its ramifications.But good luck in you scenario creations - we do need more!

	21-03-2002 22:13									#3
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quote: Originally posted by child of Thor It's historicaly accurate

This is enough for me. You should implement it.

PS: No, i am not a Nazi enthusiastic at all. The Holocaust is in the top of man's stupidiest ideas list . But we cant pretend it did not happen!!

	21-03-2002 22:13									#4
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I don't like it to kill my own citiziens. I like it more to see my cities growing and not to see a pop loss, therefore a clear no.

-Martin

	21-03-2002 22:13									#5
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well you are wrong i'm not a nazy fan


on the other hand if i wore jewish i wouldn't play it
you can argue about be or be not for kazillion years
so i will not even try i will just let the forum decide
but i will proberly not have it whatever the outcome is.
But you could argue as well if you wore irish to not have the berserker unit because my countrymenn raided the costal city's of Ireland took slaves slaughtered the remains burned the farms raided the church or monastery for many hundred years in there berserk rage

	22-03-2002 01:27									#6
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I agree, while it shouldnt be glorified or in some way just used as a ''toy element'' to make the game more realistic, it shouldnt be forgotten that this did happen and should therefore be included in some capacity. In what way, i wouldnt exactly know. I voted for yes.

	22-03-2002 01:41									#7
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I voted "no" for the reasons that I've stated in this thread:

WW2 Europe Front

	22-03-2002 03:48									#8
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I don't think you need to model/include the Holocaust. What would it be? A feat of wonder? A wonder of the world? A city improvement? Gas chambers as a tile improvement? A side effect of a fascist government (go racially insane and slaughter your own citizens)? It would not enhance the game.

There are plenty of opportunities for genocide now, especially with the KillCities slic.

	22-03-2002 17:19									#9
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I am for the holocaust to be added it may be a good chance to educate some modders that it was not just the Jews who got killed.

Other groups who got killed are

Communist and gypsies

No I am not a nazi ever and accusing some one of that is not nice.

But forget the past and you know what happens you repeat it

This is probably one of those things that will separate the forum

	22-03-2002 18:13									#10
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It may be historically accurate but CTP is a game and I don't think the holocaust has any place in a game....somethings are just not appropriate for games.

	22-03-2002 20:37									#11
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That's it...
Concentrecion Camp's will not be in my scenario
there are to many noeers.

BTW any comment's about things that you would include are welcome
(and reqested ) like unit's and nations that will be playable.

The unit that i have are
All unit's from WAW, i canged the name's of few unit from it
They are:
Stormtrooper to Waffen SS Regt
Mark IV to Panther.
that's it
and also i canged the stats for many tanks

Other unit's that will be included are:
Panzer III
Panzer II
Dutch Infantry
German Infantry
Belgian Infantry
French Infantry
All from the WW2 scenario from activision
And all other unit from the WW2 Activision scenario

	24-03-2002 16:08									#12
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Iskallin,
I didn't actually think you were a Nazi-fan So sorry if i came across too strong.It's just that after the thread Elvismonster mentions above - it just seemed a bit contentious, that's all.Sort of like saying a scenario on the Palastine/Israeli conflict with suicide bombers would be a good thing to do Do you see what i mean? Some things IMHO are too close in a historical sense to be able to tackle without causing offense(berserkers were at least 1000 years ago!).Anyway the scenario sounds great - how long before we can try it?

	24-03-2002 20:42									#13
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I voted for "no" because I think this anti-"building" has no sense in a war scenario (beside the aspect of offending millions of people...). IMO such an "improvement" had not an effect on the general warfare in WWII.

	24-03-2002 21:38									#14
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Yeap i get your point
it will maybe ready about mid aprill or beginning of june
it goe's well exept one alway's when i try to go on with it the game crashes with that bugging stuff
"this program has performed...