22-03-2002 11:25									#1
	Combined Sea-Land-Attack Support Apolyton, buy Call to Power 2

When I have to attack a coastal city in the later game, i need
a) two transports
b) two engineers
c) howitzers, armours and so on
d) 1-3 bombers (carrier/airbase/city)
First, i move the two engineers to the shore just onto the square next to the AI-city. They build a fortress (sometimes they build an airbase). Then I land the other units on that fortified square. Bomber #1 will protect my units for one turn. Bomber #2 will do it the next, then bomber #3.

What do you think about this tactic?

	22-03-2002 14:25									#2
	Re: Combined Sea-Land-Attack Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations

quote: Originally posted by ramses II. When I have to attack a coastal city in the later game, i need a) two transports b) two engineers c) howitzers, armours and so on d) 1-3 bombers (carrier/airbase/city) First, i move the two engineers to the shore just onto the square next to the AI-city. They build a fortress (sometimes they build an airbase). Then I land the other units on that fortified square. Bomber #1 will protect my units for one turn. Bomber #2 will do it the next, then bomber #3. What do you think about this tactic?

nice tactic...
an other one:
a)one ship with transport capabilities
b)one spy/diplo
c)tons of cash
=>bribe => easy effective and you get troops

Shade

	22-03-2002 15:35									#3
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Nice tactic,too, but i've seen cities demand up to 27.000 Gold. That's too much.

	22-03-2002 16:33									#4
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quote: Originally posted by ramses II. Nice tactic,too, but i've seen cities demand up to 27.000 Gold. That's too much.

and if you wait a little it folds back to 300G
(or is this solved under the 2.42patch?)

Shade

	22-03-2002 22:30									#5
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Shielding ground units with bombers is a bit of an exploit. But why not, the AI can still attack it if it has flight. One question, tho - why build the fortress if you float a bomber above the ground units? No land unit can attack anyway.

	22-03-2002 22:48									#6
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I'll bite - there's always one.

I've never though of shielding with air units as an exploit, no more so than any ZOC tricks. You make the case pretty well yourself - fighters can attack. That also is probably why Ramses builds the fortress.

	23-03-2002 00:20									#7
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quote: Originally posted by Marquis de Sodaq Shielding ground units with bombers is a bit of an exploit. But why not, the AI can still attack it if it has flight. One question, tho - why build the fortress if you float a bomber above the ground units? No land unit can attack anyway.

there can be a plane inside the city

	23-03-2002 00:31									#8
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I'll go with the Marquis on this. I don't believe it was ever intended that bombers could be used as protection for land units. Thus it is 'an exploit' as the Marquis puts it so diplomatically - of course in SP you can do whatever you like, but there are some 'rules' for comparison and competition - no using the airbase on hill trick for instance - or no rehoming of caravans for another - I think exploiting the bomber this way is definitely iffy - sorry Xin that apples to the X-pack too.

	23-03-2002 02:08									#9
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Even so you'd probably agree this one is close, unlike say airbase farming or numerous other things I would consider blatant cheats. As to intentions IIRC SMAC has a similar system where ZOC from air units protect grpund units.

	23-03-2002 04:23									#10
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Seems unnecessary to me. For the cost of two bombers, you could have three armours or howitzers which would be more useful. The ai won't mount an effective attack against armour in a fortress, and the next turn you will capture the city.

	29-03-2002 02:47									#11
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It just seems so much easier to use stealth bombers from a city, or even on a carrier, and bomb them, and chute in a parachute guy...

	29-03-2002 19:52									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Shaka Naldur there can be a plane inside the city

But fortresses have no effect against air attacks. And the fighter would attack the best defender - an armor unit in this case - and lose.