24-03-2002 06:47									#1
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The Getty Center
Richard Meier, architect

http://academic.reed.edu/getty/dist...V.Pan-03.s.html

I think it's up there with the Sistene Chapel...

It could add both happiness and science...

	24-03-2002 06:53									#2
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I think for something to be classified as a wonder, it should be well known by many people. Personally, I have never heard of this place and wouldn't put it as a wonder...

	25-03-2002 06:56									#3
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Check the facts:
over $5 billion price tag
something like 300 square miles of glass

this thing is a freakin' huge architectural monument- maybe it's not really well known yet, but it IS an idea for a new modern wonder.

If someone's looking for more wonder ideas that is...

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Ok, some more interresting facts...
Ok, so this guy Getty dies and leaves several (several) million
dollars to make this museum... But there's a catch.
They can ONLY spend the interest on the lump sum...
They CANNOT use the interest to upkeep the museum- only
to purchase new art.
so what they do is pay your entry fee for you...
They have so much art that even if they changed the entire display weekly, they couldn't show it all in a year...

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	25-03-2002 07:52									#4
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This doesn't strike me as anything spectacular. How about the WTC in New York, the Patronas Towers in Kuala Lumpur, the Akashi Kaikyo in Tokyo, or the Three Gorges Dam in China? Those are things that you can get an idea of the size from looking at a picture. The pictures on that site (I also traced the link back and looked at other photos) just aren't very impressive. Maybe if it were compared side by side with other buildings in scale to compare the size of the place--but that would make a crappy wonder splash.

	25-03-2002 23:40									#5
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Ok you guys are obviously not impressed...

Got any links to the structures you spoke of, Mizaq?

Just tryin to throw out ideas... sniff... sniff..

No, that's cool...
I'd just like to see some new modern stuff...

	26-03-2002 00:12									#6
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The Petronas Towers:



The Akashi Kaikyo bridge:

	26-03-2002 01:29									#7
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I was also thinking there could be a wonder based on municipal planning, something like that giant model that Shanghai has of upcoming improvements. It could increase commerce in every square or something. Check out this site for more information. Be sure to watch that short movie that pans the room. That model is huge.

check out this website for WTC pictures.

check out this news story for some info on the Three Gorges Dam or check out the Chinese Embassy.

This was the only depiction I could find of the Three Gorges (it is still under construction):

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	26-03-2002 23:54									#8
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Well those are cool... I guess this thread is now dedicated to modern wonder ideas...
Perhaps if everoybody adds their $.02, then those that make future mods can come here for a source of inspiration...


Keep 'em commin'

	27-03-2002 01:14									#9
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How about a Fusion Plant that gives a nuclear power plant in every city. (Does that mean every city has a chance to explode?)

	28-03-2002 01:01									#10
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That'd be awesome, in a masochist sort of way. Just imagine, you're in the middle of a nice peaceful war with France, then BOOM every single city has a nuclear meltdown. Then you run to your mommy crying for a banana.

	30-03-2002 02:14									#11
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Ok, a list of potential new modern/ older wonders:
(some more worthy than others)

*The Getty Center
*The Petronas Towers
*The Akashi Kaikyo bridge
*the Three Gorges Dam
*The Empire State Building/ Sears Tower
*The Bauhaus
*The Pantheon (an ancient wonder)
*The Parthenon (ancient)
*The Sydney Opera House
*The Transcontinental Railroad

just to name a few that I think might be helpful to those looking for some new wonder ideas...

	30-03-2002 15:32									#12
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The Getty probably should qualify as a wonder, but not so much the building as the foundation. The original museum (now sadly closed) was located in Malibu. It was built as an exact replica of a Roman villa unearthed at Pompeii. In fact, in order to make is as precise as possible, one garden alcove that should have contained a statue was empty... because the statue that should have been there was lost or destroyed and rather than "make on up" they left it empty.

The museum was free of charge (sort of... see below) and the art exhibits changed often. In fact, one of the reasons the foundation built the new museum is because they had so much art they couldn't have displayed it all if they rotated exhibits daily... And here's the cool part:

When J. P. Getty died he left a huge chunk of money to this foundation to buy and display art. The catch was this... A) they couldn't touch the principal, only the interest. B) They had to spend all of the interest every year or lose it. C) They couldn't spend it on upkeep for the museum.

The interest is SO much that they really struggle to spend it all each year. They buy just about ever piece of art that goes up for auction and have warehouses full of it. In order to get around provision C, they charge admission to the museum... and then they pay it for you

Anyway... it's an amazing place to visit.

	30-03-2002 15:52									#13
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My ideas/favorites:
-Sears Tower
-Petronas Towers
-Hollywood/National TV Network/Public Broadcasting
-Three Gorges Dam
-National Park Service
-The Internet
-The Getty Center (However, ixnay is right: I've never heard of it before)

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	30-03-2002 16:45									#14
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I'm working on the first draft of my cultural mod. Included are the following wonders:
Crusades - double happiness of all shrines (both Crusades and Shrines require the civ to be in a Theocracy govt', shrines are built in any city w/ a barracks and give 1 culture and 1 happy face).
EPA - double happiness effect of hydro plants (long story, but I'm tweaking the way the game handles pollution)
Statue of Liberty - free harbor in every city (yes, EVERY city... for some reason even though harbors are check marked for coastal installations, every city gets one)
Temperance - same as longevity, but earlier
The Internet - small wonder, just like Forbidden Palace

Some others I'm considering:
Pony Express
Magna Carta
Smithsonian
Washington Monument
Easter Island
Stonehenge
Spirit of St Louis
Olympics
Broadway
Microsoft
The Rose Bowl
Menlo Park
Disneyland
The Bolshoi

	30-03-2002 21:01									#15
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Here's an idea. It would actually work better as an improvement. Gulag. Increases production by 100%, but makes three unhappy citizens.

	31-03-2002 00:05									#16
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How about a National Sporting League for a small wonder?
I like many of these ideas...
It's just a shame that wonder effect choices are so limited...
After a few more ideas, I'll condense this thread.

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	02-04-2002 02:33									#18
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Ok, here's a few more:

- The Channel Tunnel (between France and England)
Possible effect: Increased commerce. Would be nice to actually get land-unit passage across a 2 sqare stretch of water, but that's probably not possible to pull off with the game engine.

- the Three Gorges Project (super-dam being built in China)
Possible effect: Increased production, commerce and food production on entire continent, and a bunch of unhappy citizens in the city. Or maybe just like another Hoover Dam.

- Kansai International Airport (japanese airport, built on an artificial island)
Possible effect: Increased commerce.

- the new Great Library of Alexandria (yeah, they've built a new one)
Possible effect: Same as the first? Or increased research.

- the Hubble Telescope
- the Human Genome Project
- the International Space Station (would be cool if it could be made as a colaboration between several civilizations)
- Various Mars expeditions.
Possible effect: Increased research rate.

	02-04-2002 03:32									#19
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the architect's name is meier??? Yes definitely yes!!!!

	08-04-2002 01:46									#20
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I don't think it would be a good wonder. I've never heard of it before. It can't be a wonder just because its building price was very high. If that make a thing a wonder there is a lot of other things that also had to be wonders.
It's not even old!

The pictures below are some of the bridges in Denmark (storebæltsbroen & øresundsbroen), which should be wonders if that Getty-thing is a wonder.

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	08-04-2002 01:48									#21
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	11-04-2002 15:29									#23
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Some suggestions

- the atomium in Brussels


- Building of the European Union