28-03-2002 12:20									#61
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quote: Or "The Empire" for short.

Keep in mind what happened the last time the Empire got into a protracted war.

	28-03-2002 12:22									#62
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quote: Originally posted by Ramo Keep in mind what happened the last time the Empire got into a protracted war.

That is correct.

	28-03-2002 12:23									#63
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quote: Originally posted by Asher It needs funding. Bad.

see, if you joined the US, you would have all that money that the pentagon uses to support the troops. a gluttony of money would be made immediately available

	28-03-2002 12:32									#64
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quote: Originally posted by Asher It needs funding. Bad.

No it doesn't.

	28-03-2002 12:34									#65
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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse No it doesn't.

Just because the French don't know how to fight doesn't mean the country shouldn't be able to defend itself.

	28-03-2002 12:36									#66
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From who?

	28-03-2002 12:37									#67
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From Bush, as soon as he declares Canada part of the axis of evil because of the softwood lumber dispute.

	28-03-2002 12:39									#68
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Seriously, though. We have the capability to defend ourselves from anything but a serious invasion attempt. That could only come from one possible place in the foreseeable future, and if they attack us we wouldn't be able to stand under it no matter how much we spend.

	28-03-2002 12:42									#69
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I'm not sure you're aware just how bad the situation is.

Our helicopters are deathtraps. Literally.
The CF-18s are about to become very obsolete.
The military's guns are ancient and obsolete.
Our subs are leaking.
Canadian troops bought two-ways radios at Radio Shack before heading to afghanistan as they were more reliable than the official radio gear.

The liberals need to wake up before half of the military dies from mechanical failure.

	28-03-2002 12:49									#70
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Eh. Why? Decomission the Sea Kings, don't bother buying new helos. CF-18s aren't even close to obsolete. The avionics we've put on them are, but that's a relatively minor investment to make.

quote: The military's guns are ancient and obsolete

Which ones? The C9 they give to every soldier that's an exact copy of what the US hands to its soldiers?

Our subs were just bought from the British, a substantial new investment in the military. 2-way radios from Radio Shack are probably ten times cheaper and just as effective as anything the government would specifically contract out.

Our military doesn't fight wars, Asher. It's there as a placeholder because everybody else has one too.

	28-03-2002 12:53									#71
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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse Eh. Why? Decomission the Sea Kings, don't bother buying new helos. CF-18s aren't even close to obsolete. The avionics we've put on them are, but that's a relatively minor investment to make.

Why do you think CF-18s aren't even close to obsolete?
Missiles are falling off their wings as they're flying.
Didn't you hear about that?
In exercises a dummy missile fell off the wing of an CF-18 as it was flying and fell into a farmer's field.

Another time the cockpit cover blew off midflight(!), also landing in a farmer's field.

Until a few years ago they could only track 1 target, and missed a lot when attacking. Pocket calculators had more computing power...I hear they upgraded to 486s (seriously) so they can track multiple targets now...

quote: Which ones? The C9 they give to every soldier that's an exact copy of what the US hands to its soldiers?

The US doesn't use those in actual combat these days.
We do.

quote: Our subs were just bought from the British, a substantial new investment in the military.

It's sad they're already leaking and needing more and more refits, isn't it?

quote: 2-way radios from Radio Shack are probably ten times cheaper and just as effective as anything the government would specifically contract out.

That's entirely NOT the point.

quote: Our military doesn't fight wars, Asher. It's there as a placeholder because everybody else has one too.

Our military's not going to be around for another decade if the liberals keep this up.

At least they've shown interest in the JSF.

	28-03-2002 13:05									#72
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Captured conversation from Korvatunturi, Finland: "Hehehe. Once the US-Canadian war errupts our Evil Elven Strike Force will conquer the World!"

	28-03-2002 15:43									#73
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quote: Originally posted by Asher The US doesn't use those in actual combat these days. We do.

Really? AFIK, the US military still uses the M249 which is their designation for the C9.

quote: Originally posted by Krazyhorse The C9 they give to every soldier that's an exact copy of what the US hands to its soldiers?

I think you mean the C7, the Canadian version of the M16A1E1. The C9 is a machine gun and there is usually only one per infantry squad IIRC.

	28-03-2002 15:53									#74
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quote: Originally posted by Asher I'm not sure you're aware just how bad the situation is. Our helicopters are deathtraps. Literally. The CF-18s are about to become very obsolete. The military's guns are ancient and obsolete. Our subs are leaking. Canadian troops bought two-ways radios at Radio Shack before heading to afghanistan as they were more reliable than the official radio gear. The liberals need to wake up before half of the military dies from mechanical failure.

The government is in the process of buying new helicopters (and the sooner the better).

Replacing the CF-18s would not be a great idea. We simply don't need them. I know that is heresy coming from an Air Force guy, but the fact of the matter is that there is no situation where we would really require them. Instead of buying fighters, we'd be better off buying better helicopters, transport aircraft, and other support aircraft that could be used durign peacekeeping missions. We also need money to upgrade the Auroras, which are getting a bit long in the tooth. After we have done all of that, then we might consider getting some new fighters.

The subs are going through standard tests and there are bound to be problems.

Haven't heard the story about Radio Shack. Any links?

	28-03-2002 19:34									#75
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quote: Originally posted by Tingkai Hell no. We'd end up with Buffalo, Detroit, and god forbid, Ann Arbor.

	28-03-2002 20:12									#76
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A couple of points.

I understand why the Quebecers wouldn't want to fight for the UK during the world wars, but France was getting hammered too, don't the Frenchies stick together

I don't see why we need to improve the military, like KH said only the US can invade us, and if they want to there isn't anything we can do about it. Other than that it's just a cash sink.

I think we should shorten our country name to The Dominion. Or do we have to wait until we can breed Jem'Hadar

	28-03-2002 20:28									#77
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Guynemer's right. That area of Canada is an absolute jewel, from Toronto to Stratford, which is great just the way it is. And the people are the nicest around. Amazing what difference there is between borders.

Say nice things about Detroit, Tingkai. After all, there's beauty in decay..

Dave

	28-03-2002 20:29									#78
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quote: Originally posted by Garth Vader A couple of points. I understand why the Quebecers wouldn't want to fight for the UK during the world wars, but France was getting hammered too, don't the Frenchies stick together

There never was that much interest from France for Quebec or Nouvelle France. They didn't help us when the British invaded and they don't help us much now. I'm talking about economically. They're always there to sign a "cultural cooperation" deal or Sh!T like that but for anything that matters... nothing.

Outside of the artistic community and the PQ/Government circles, there's not much interest for France. I know that i don't really care about them.

	28-03-2002 20:41									#79
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quote: Originally posted by DetroitDave Guynemer's right. That area of Canada is an absolute jewel, from Toronto to Stratford, which is great just the way it is. And the people are the nicest around. Amazing what difference there is between borders. Say nice things about Detroit, Tingkai. After all, there's beauty in decay.. Dave

If the old Tiger stadium was still there, I'd want Detroit in a second.

One of the perfect moments in my life was seeing the Jays playing against the Tigers in early May 92. The stadium was pretty much empty. I went down to just behind home plate. Now that's baseball when you can hit the crack of the bat and the players dissing each other. And you see the ball come in and think how the hell does anyone hit it.

	28-03-2002 20:45									#80
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Take them. You can also have BC so Alaska is connected by land. How about Quebec too, you can have them. Hmm. And Nova Scotia, Newfoundland, New Brunswick, PEI, Ontario, Manitoba, Saskatchewan, Nunavut. On second thought, Alberta, NWT, and the Yukon will just form our own country.

FU*K THAT!!! You ain't taking ****!! And certainly not Quebec!! Oh well, on second thought, go ahead, take Ontario, all they do is whine all the time anyway.
But leave Quebec alone!! Only WE can legaly drink until 3am at the age of 18!! YEEHAA!!!! Montreal IS the party town. The Ultimate city for night life.

Spec.

	28-03-2002 20:48									#81
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun No, you don't understand -- we want to EXTEND the American tradition of very high crime rate and high pollution.

Then why do you want southern ontario? It's already been acomplished here.

	28-03-2002 22:42									#82
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quote: Originally posted by Tingkai If the old Tiger stadium was still there, I'd want Detroit in a second. One of the perfect moments in my life was seeing the Jays playing against the Tigers in early May 92. The stadium was pretty much empty. I went down to just behind home plate. Now that's baseball when you can hit the crack of the bat and the players dissing each other. And you see the ball come in and think how the hell does anyone hit it.

Damn right, Ting. (Too bad you've got all-expense paid 48 hour trip to Mingapulco.) Tiger Stadium was, far and aware, the favorite place of my childhood. Comerica Park is beautiful and I love the field dimensions and everyone has good sightlines, but it's just not the same.

	29-03-2002 01:46									#83
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quote: Originally posted by Osweld Then why do you want southern ontario? It's already been acomplished here.

We Americans can make it even worse with our Second Amendment, and by ignoring international protocol on the environment.

Besides, that wedge jutting into our rightful border is just plain ugly on maps!!

	29-03-2002 01:55									#84
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I am not Canadian or American, I live on Vancouver Island. You guys can fight all you want, if us Van island folk are lucky you will just forget we are here.

	29-03-2002 02:12									#85
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quote: Comerica Park is beautiful and I love the field dimensions and everyone has good sightlines, but it's just not the same.

That is one park that I really want to see.... and yes, I love the field dimensions too... it ain't a homer-a-second park.

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quote: Originally posted by Spectator Only WE can legaly drink until 3am at the age of 18!! YEEHAA!!!! Montreal IS the party town. The Ultimate city for night life.

Drinking age is 18 in Alberta too.

	29-03-2002 05:03									#87
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Back to the original premise, does this mean that in turn for southern Ontario we get a chunk added to Manitoba and BC and a new province of Alaska?

	29-03-2002 05:18									#88
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: Comerica Park is beautiful and I love the field dimensions and everyone has good sightlines, but it's just not the same. That is one park that I really want to see.... and yes, I love the field dimensions too... it ain't a homer-a-second park.

That's what I like most about it. However, the problem with it is that it is nowhere near as intimate as Tiger Stadium. You're significantly further away from the action. No more obstructed view seats, but no one is on top of the action anymore, either.

A little metaphor for socialism, eh? Oh, the irony.

	29-03-2002 06:04									#89
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Don't they use the Sea Kings for Coast Guard duty as well?

	29-03-2002 07:03									#90
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So far, all I know about canada is that's place to get high with the cops.





BTW, in those three pages I have yet to see the words "Canadian Bacon". I'm talking the movie AND food.


The movie was just political propagana from the left wing. Canada is NOT all happy and joy.