29-03-2002 00:27									#1
	Maybe your just Civ'd out Support Apolyton, pre-order Civilization IV

Is it possible that the people who are the most dissatisfied with Civ 3 are just Civ'd out. An example of what I mean: My friend and I all began playing Madden Football games religously in 1991.
Since then we have bought and obsessed over every release. With the each one we grew less and less satisfied. Until eventually this year no one bought Madden 2002. We moved on to something else. We discovered that we had just played Madden so much that it became a matter of diminishing returns. Maybe Civ is the same way. Some people who've played it abundantly are never gone get that feeling again. What do you think?

	29-03-2002 00:40									#2
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Not exactly.

At least Madden has gotten better with age. Civ3 almost seems like a step backwards. Fewer techs and governments, no SMAC style social engineering, you can't give other civs units, no "call off your vedetta" requests, no scenario editor. It's been years scince Civ2 came out, people were expecting revolutionary improvements...where are they? Culture is the only all-new concept in the game. No wonder movies... I'm sorry but that was just cheap. The story of Civ3 is one of dissapointed expectations. Believe me, I'm not Cived out. If this game was as engossing as it could be I would truly have no free time.

	29-03-2002 00:47									#3
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quote: Originally posted by Carver Culture is the only all-new concept in the game.

I think the game needs some resource-thing where some units would need certain resources, and the players could trade these resources with each other. Hey! Maybe some resource types could be used for other things, like making people happy.

	29-03-2002 01:40									#4
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Okay, resources. The game still lacks fresh imagination. 2050 and no satellites, tanks that look an awful lot like the present day M1 Abrams, no worthwhile helicopters, no futuristic city improvements (a biosphere to protect a city's production radius against global warming?).

And UUs, I'll give them applause for that too.

	29-03-2002 01:47									#5
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Civ3 is not SMAC2

	29-03-2002 04:23									#6
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If this thesis were true, then I would also be "cived-out" on Civ2MGE, but I'm not...As far as Madden goes, I don't like or play sports so I can't compare it to any of the civilization series.

	29-03-2002 05:17									#7
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quote: Originally posted by ACooper Civ3 is not SMAC2

My only point is SMAC, Civ2 and CTP were released years ago. Civ3 should be more advanced and engrossing, but isn't. Civ3 is simpler than SMAC and CTP. Strategy gamers don't want the games to get simpler... most of us want (I believe) more complex and involved games with more options and depth. Civ3 has less.

	29-03-2002 07:11									#8
	Re: Maybe your just Civ'd out Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

quote: Originally posted by SultanofATL Is it possible that the people who are the most dissatisfied with Civ 3 are just Civ'd out... We discovered that we had just played Madden so much that it became a matter of diminishing returns. Maybe Civ is the same way. Some people who've played it abundantly are never gone get that feeling again. What do you think?

Apply this wisdom to just about anything in this world, and your way ahead of most out there. At least thats what my Buddhist spiritual guide tells me.

	29-03-2002 10:02									#9
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Too bad FIRAXIS just wanted to produce facelift.

	30-03-2002 00:29									#10
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Hmmm... all of the "revolutionary improvements" that most people expected in Civ3 will almost certainly be in Civ4. Firaxis needed to introduce Civ3 to a whole new generation of strategy gamers, so they purposely decided to streamline Civ3 in order to...

No, it is not persuasive enough, is it?

	30-03-2002 07:13									#11
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Unless maybe they are playing CTP, or even MoO. Afterall it uses the same basic concepts. I am sorely disappointed at it, but I am making the best of it and moving on. Either a better game will come along or they will fix it. One way or another I will have fun.

Oh well, back to the more fun side of it, back to working on the mod.