13-12-2000 13:36									#1
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Those amongst us who played SMAC will remember the quotes you got with advances- little summaries of what an advance could do, making fictional technology actually meant. How about ones in Civ 3, and if yes, how about suggestions.

	13-12-2000 21:02									#2
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YES YES YES!!!

Civ3 must have quotes just like SMAC did. It will add so much in terms of atmosphere. I think historical quotes should be used as much as possible. It would be so cool to have quotes from Ceasar, Napoleon, Churchill, Lenine etc. Obviously, this is not possible everywhere. It would be fine if Firaxis invented a few quotes, they certainly did a fine job on smac. They could use quotes from famous novels too. I guess the only rule should that the quote should be as fun as possible and make the tech "come alive" for the player!
Specifics, let's see:
Flight: quote from Wright brothers, maybe.
Communism: quote from Lenine or Marx.
Democracy: how about the famous quote from Churchill about it being bad but better than anything else.
Rocketry: quote from Von Braun (inventor of V2)
Philosophy: quote from socrates, maybe.
Code of laws: maybe ten commandments quote.
Nuclear: quote from Oppenheimer "destroyer of worlds".
Space flight: "One small step for man, one big step for mankind."

Well, I am sure Firaxis will find much cooler quotes than these.



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	14-12-2000 00:32									#3
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whatever.

	14-12-2000 00:34									#4
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I have not played SMAC yet, but I do agree that quotes should be added.

	14-12-2000 03:17									#5
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Nuclear Weaponry: "I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds." - J. Robert Oppenheimer

Communism: "From each, according to his ability; to each, according to his need." - Karl Marx, The Communist Manifesto

Nationalism: "I regret that I have but one life to give for my country." - Nathan Hale

Computers: "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers." - Pablo Picasso

Tactics: "If I determine the enemy's disposition of forces while I have no perceptible form, I can concentrate my forces while the enemy is fragmented. The pinnacle of military deployment approaches the formless: if it is formless, then even the deepest spy cannot discern it nor the wise make plans against it." -Sun Tzu, The Art of War

Philosophy: "I cannot teach anybody anything, I can only make them think." - Socrates

Democracy: "Many forms of Government have been tried, and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except all those others that have been tried from time to time." - Winston Churchill

Space Flight: "The Earth is the cradle of the mind, but one cannot stay in the
cradle forever." -Konstantin Tsiolkovsky

Future Tech: "What is now proved was once only imagined." - William Blake, The Marriage of Heaven and Hell

	14-12-2000 03:51									#6
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My biggest problem with SMAC was that i always stopped playing about halfway through, because my overal victory was already 100% forseeable.
There was no challenge left in the game, for me. I must have played about 10-15 "stopped halfway through" games, before i finally gave up, and never touched the game again.

You guys talkning about "quotes with advances".

Comparing with above problem, i woudnt put it that high, om MY priority-list. On the other hand: its a harmless easy-to-implement suggestion, so why not?
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	14-12-2000 05:28									#8
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Yep great idea, it would be even better if someone did a voice-over for each quote.

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This is a great idea. It isn't something so big that it won't have a chance of being implemented, but it had a great effect on atmosphere in SMAC. It really, really annoyed me that when you made a tech advance in CTP, nothing happened. The only reason I know who wrote "Moby **** " is because of that quote in SMAC (hey, it was educational!). Voiceovers are a must.

Some specifics:

Philosophy: Descartes, "I think, therefore I am"

Steel: That qoute they use in smac.

	14-12-2000 06:08									#10
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I don't believe it asterisked out "Moby **** ". Hey it did it again. That was a fair usage of the word now whats the problem........ (Rambles on for a while)

	14-12-2000 06:31									#11
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yah, I played civ when I was 11. I learnt most about governments, revolutions, etc from civ! it's very very educational...boy....they should get students to play civ just to learn history. screw the books, haha

	15-12-2000 06:42									#12
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Yes, I agree, they should also possibly include the quotes for certain improvements.
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	15-12-2000 08:25									#13
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Communism: "Workers of the world, unite!" - Karl Marx

Computers: "640K ought to be enough for anybody" - Bill Gates


BTW, this is a great idea EC....

	21-02-2001 17:05									#14
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Amphibious Warfare:

"'Sir' didn't mean anything, Kelly knew. When in doubt a marine would call a lightpole 'Sir'."

- John Kelly
(Tom Clancy, Without Remorse)

I just couldn't help myself.

	21-02-2001 19:21									#15
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Yes I defenetly liked the quotes for the techs in Smac!
They should be changeable for scenario designers though (as most other things).

	21-02-2001 21:17									#16
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I'm definitely a supporter of the quotes w/tech advances cause. For one thing, it was a great atmosphere builder. You really felt like your society was advancing.

And I remember thinking, as soon as I played my first SMAC game, how cool it would be to implement those sort of quotes for Civ 2, using voice actors to read pertinent quotations from the great books of history.

(And if you manage to snag a voice actor with genuine celebrity, so much the better...)

	21-02-2001 21:23									#17
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Well picked quotes, Rollo! I'm impressed at the selection, except maybe the Marx one which is a bit cliché. You should post in the OT.

	22-02-2001 10:33									#18
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chill ho

	22-02-2001 00:49									#19
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The Wheel: Hmm... Now I'll have to invent the Cart and domesticate two horses.

Sorry for the rotten joke. I only have a faint recollection of what smac's quotes were like, but I think this is a nice idea.

	22-02-2001 04:10									#20
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In SMAC I always liked "It is every citizen's duty to go into the tanks..." when you built the first recycling tank. Chairman Yang sounds so reasonable.

I like the idea, it adds some feel to SMAC, the sense that you're 'doing something', a sense of accomplishment part way through the game.


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	22-02-2001 04:56									#21
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It is a great idea! But I will leave it up to Sid to determine the Quotes. You can't keep everyone completly happy.

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