01-04-2002 05:02									#1
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Assume for the time period. IE we all know SMAC was better than CivI, but CivI was best compared to other games from its time.


Best: Civilization II
Worst: Pharaoh
Best Bargain: Sid Meiers Gettysburg for 3 dollars
Most disappointing: Sim City 3000

Also, some additional categories:
Most overrated: Diablo II (haven't bought it, just played it)
Most overrated genre: 1st person shoot em up (haven't bought any, just seen them.)

Feel free to make up your own categories.

	01-04-2002 07:04									#2
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Best: Civ 2
Worst: Pacific General
Best Bargin: either M1 Tank Platoon 2 for $10, or The Operational Art of War for $20
Most disapointing: Escape from Monkey Island or X-Com Apocalypse

Most underrated: Jedi Knight
Most overrated: Quake 1/2
Most overrated genre: Sports Games

	01-04-2002 08:10									#3
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BEST: Civ2
WORST: not quite sure
BEST BARGAIN: Civ2 (less than $20:eek
MOST DISSAPOINTING: Civ3
BEST YEARLY SERIES: Madden Football
MOST OVERRATED GENRE: FPS
MOST UNDERRATED GENRE: Strategy

This is including both PC and video games, right?

	01-04-2002 09:31									#4
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Best: "Michiavelli, The Prince"
Worst: Was the name "Klingon Academy"?
Best Bargain: "Emperor of the Fading Suns" $6
Most disappointing: "Wingcommander: Privateer II" and "Hard Nova"

Most overrated game: "Everquest"
Most underrated game: "Sentinel Worlds I" and "Stunts"

Most overrated genre: RTS & RPGs
Most over exploited genre: War games
Least exploited genre: Business

	01-04-2002 11:31									#5
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Best: DOOM
Worst: Kung Fu Louie.
Best Bargain: Age of Wonders $5.
Most Dissapointing: Ultima IX

Most Overated Game: The Sims.
Most Underrated Game: In sales Giants Citizen Kabuto.

Most Overated Genre: RTS
Most Under Rated Genre: Business Sims.
Most Exploited Genre: Sports games, a new game every year just for the new rosters.

Best Game Bought in The Last Year: Giants
Worst Game Bought in The Last Year: Soldier of Fortune ( I actually did really well with my purchases this last year)

	01-04-2002 12:58									#6
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Best: Civilization II
Second Best: Diablo 2 (yes I love this game)
Tie for Second best: baldur's gate 2
Worst: star wars rebellion
Best Bargain: X-com : it was free
Most disappointing: Civ3

Also, some additional categories:
Most overrated: The Sims, Black and White
Most overrated genre: FPS

and the most exploited genre is star trek games!!

	01-04-2002 17:13									#7
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Best: Civ II.
Worst: Not sure.
Best bargain: Diablo I-- found it for only $10.
Most disappointing: SimCity 3000.

Least overrated game: No idea.
Most overrated game: CtP II
Least overrated genre: TBS
Most overrated genre: RTS

	03-04-2002 07:16									#8
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best: civ II, for now....
2nd best: Tie fighter ( wish I could find the cd )
worst: outpost: what was I thinking buying that one!
most disappointing: tiberian sun (sigh)

most overrated genre: rts
best sports: EAS Hockey (grr give me NCAA football! )

genre I will never purchase again: those kingsquest type games. play through once, then don't touch again (though that rosella was a hottie )

	03-04-2002 08:14									#9
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Best: Deus Ex
Worst: There is no way I could narrow it down to a single game.

Best Bargain: X-Com
Biggest rip-off: WW2 Online

Most disappointing: Black & White
Most surprising: Baldur's Gate series

Most overated game: Quake
Most underated or unnoticed game: Commandos 2, or Space Empires IV

Most overated genre: Hack'n'slash RPGs
Most underated or unnoticed genre: turn based strategy, or tactical combat.

	03-04-2002 08:26									#10
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All-time Best: M.U.L.E.
Best: UFO: Enemy Unknown
Worst: Majesty
Best Bargain: Birth of the Federation (free)
Most Dissapointing: Railroad Tycoon 2

Most Overated Game: The Sims

Most Overated Genre: RTS
Most Exploited Genre: Sports games

	03-04-2002 09:13									#11
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Urb -- Tell me about M.U.L.E. I haven't heard of it.

	04-04-2002 07:42									#12
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Best : Jagged Alliance 2 (3 years after its release I heavn't found one game that tops this piece of art)

Worst: Baldurs Gate (After playing Fallout 1 and 2 and Planescape: Torment I wondered how Black Isle could make this piece of crap..Why the hell am I forced to play as a good guy??)

Best bargain: Call to Power II ( I got this one for 99 SEK~10 US $)

Most dissapointing and overrated: Black and White (For some reason this game is no fun..no fun at all)

and @Osweld: Have you seen GI Combat , its from the makers of Close Combat....

	04-04-2002 08:06									#13
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quote: Originally posted by da_jaymz Worst: Baldurs Gate (After playing Fallout 1 and 2 and Planescape: Torment I wondered how Black Isle could make this piece of crap..Why the hell am I forced to play as a good guy??)

I really ought to get around to playing planescape one of these days... That was also my main beef with Baldur's gate, although comparitively speaking it is still quite non-linear compared to most CRPGs, especially the second in the series.

quote: Osweld: Have you seen GI Combat , its from the makers of Close Combat....

No, thanks for the link.

	04-04-2002 08:31									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Zkribbler Urb -- Tell me about M.U.L.E. I haven't heard of it.

M.U.L.E. is one of the all time best games if not the best. Here is a website that is dedicated to the game.

M.U.L.E. stands for multple-use labour element, and the thing looks a bit like one of those big-arse walkers from The Empire Strikes Back. The game itself, however, is totally non-violent. Up to 4 human players can play the Atari version and 2 on the Commodore 64.

I will leave the exact description of the game out - I am sure you can find it on the website. The game itself is one of excellent design. All the elements are tightly woven. There is no surefire strategy to win. All apporaches work. Also, there is no clear winner most of the time, Flip flop can occur in one turn.

What is the most outstanding feature, however, is the players must cooperate to win. That's right, they have to compete yet cooporate at the time time. Cut-throat competition will cause everybody to lose.

This is the game I used to play almost every night during my undegrad years when school was in progress. The good thing is you can conclude the game in an hour.

	08-04-2002 07:50									#15
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Thank's for the link, Urb.

	08-04-2002 15:08									#16
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Best: Indepndence War2, Tribes2 minus bugs, SMAX, Space Empires IV, Anything in the Legacy of Kain Series, and some others
Worst: Dune 2000

Best Bargain: System Shock 2 ($10)
Biggest rip-off: CivIII Limited Edition

Most disappointing: CivIII Limited Edition
Most surprising: SMAC

Most overated game: CivIII Limited Edition
Most underated or unnoticed game: Space Empires IV

Most overated genre: RPG
Most underated or unnoticed genre: TBS

	14-04-2002 05:17									#17
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All-time Best: Lords of Midnight (if we're allowed non PC Games)
Best: Championship Manager or Railroad Tycoon 1 + 2

Worst: Wizards + Warriors (really annoying and full of bugs)
Best Bargain: Imperialism 2 - £4.99
Most Dissapointing: Civ 3 (not very original i know) or Tropico

Most surprising: Baldur's Gate
Most Overated Game: The Sims or Unreal
Most underated or unnoticed game: Imperialism 2

Most Overated Genre: RTS

	14-04-2002 08:00									#18
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I'm not sure about a lot of those categories, but the best purchase I ever made was WarCraft II. Seriously!

	15-04-2002 16:54									#19
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OK,

Best: Civ 3!
Worst: umm, Reader Rabbit
Best Bargain: Civ1, Colonization, MOO, and XCom in a pack for 20$ US!!!
Most Disappointing: moo2

Most overrated genre: even tie between 1st person shooters and RTS's
Most overrated game: the Sims
most underrated genre: TBS
most underrated game: probably Darkstone

	15-04-2002 17:22									#20
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Best: The Settlers II and The Settlers IV (tie)
Worst: American Dream

Best Bargain: Blue Byte special CD, four classic BB games for $15
Biggest rip-off: American Dream

Most disappointing: American Dream
Most surprising: N/A

Most overated game: The Sims, Diablo 2, Counter-Strike and Black & White
Most underated game: The Settlers IV and Desperados

Most overated genre: RPG
Most underated genre: TBS

EDIT: Added a few games

Last edited by Adagio on 15-04-2002 at 22:04

	15-04-2002 20:06									#21
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Best: Command & Conquer, Colonization (who needs Civ1/2? I never played it )
Worst: C&C: Tiberian Sun

Best Bargain: HoMM3 for ~$10
Biggest rip-off: C&C: Tiberian Sun (I don't dare to remember how much it cost)

Most disappointing: again: C&C: Tiberian Sun, but lately I was disappointed by Commandos2, part 1 was much better IMO
Most surprising: Homeworld

Most overated game: The Sims, Counterstrike
Most underated game: Desperados

Most overated genre: FPS
Most underated genre: TBS

	16-04-2002 01:20									#22
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Best: Europa Universalis II
Worst: Caesar III
Best Bargain: Total Annihilation
Most disappointing: Shadow Warrior

Also, some additional categories:
Most overrated: StarCraft
Most underrated: Minesweeper

Most overrated genre: Sports
Most underrated genre: Historical Simulation

	16-04-2002 04:23									#23
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Best: Civ II MGE.
Worst: Geometry Blaster. Uninstalled and in the garbage three days after I installed (and completed) it.
Best bargain: Diablo I-- found it for only $10! That and King's Quest VI (came free with my old computer, for some odd reason).
Worst bargain: Can't think of any

Most overrated genre: RTS
Most overrated game: C&C Tiberian Sun (original and RA were pretty good, though)
Most underrated genre: TBS
Most underrated game: Chip's Challenge

	16-04-2002 08:22									#24
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Best: Master of Magic
Worst: Pax Imperia

Best Bargain: Fallout 1 & 2 box set for $9.99 or Ultima Underworld
Most Disappointing:Any of the various Sim games

Overrated: RTS (real time is 1 day = 1 day isn't it?)

EDIT: MULE is also one of the best games I ever played, along with Rogue.

	17-04-2002 16:32									#25
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Best: Civ II (runners up: SimCity 2000 and Roller Coaster Tycoon; for me best=replayability)

Worst: either SimAnts or New Adventures of the Time Machine (each of which, thankfully, I bought for < $10)

Best Bargain: Planescape Torment for $9.99

Most disappointing: no contest here -- Riven

	17-04-2002 20:03									#26
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Most overrated game: C&C Tiberian Sun (original and RA were pretty good, though)

Who, exactly, overrated it? I don't recall seeing one favourable review, but maybe I spend too much time on Usenent.

	17-04-2002 20:28									#27
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While I said that Tiberian Sun was the most disappointing game I can see where the "overrated" comes from. All previews said only good things about the game and presented beautiful fake screenshots (good Photoshop job Westwood ) so the game was overrated even before it came out.

	17-04-2002 22:09									#28
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Best: The Original Civilization
Worst: SimEarth
Best Bargain: SpyCraft for $5
Most disappointing: Civilization III, CTP series

Most overrated: Civ III
Most underrated: SpyCraft
Most overrated genre: FPS

	24-04-2002 18:58									#29
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger M.U.L.E. is one of the all time best games if not the best. Here is a website that is dedicated to the game. M.U.L.E. stands for multple-use labour element, and the thing looks a bit like one of those big-arse walkers from The Empire Strikes Back. The game itself, however, is totally non-violent. Up to 4 human players can play the Atari version and 2 on the Commodore 64. I will leave the exact description of the game out - I am sure you can find it on the website. The game itself is one of excellent design. All the elements are tightly woven. There is no surefire strategy to win. All apporaches work. Also, there is no clear winner most of the time, Flip flop can occur in one turn. What is the most outstanding feature, however, is the players must cooperate to win. That's right, they have to compete yet cooporate at the time time. Cut-throat competition will cause everybody to lose. This is the game I used to play almost every night during my undegrad years when school was in progress. The good thing is you can conclude the game in an hour.

I can't believe that anyone even remembers this game. It is my all time favorite as well (circa 1982). By the way, I had the commodore 64 version and 4 could play as well.

I'm still not believing that no one has done anything similar since then. It did have a steep learning curve. We never did too much cooperation and it usually took us more than an hour to complete. Any cool memory there.

R:PM

	24-04-2002 20:42									#30
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quote: Originally posted by RPMisCOOL I'm still not believing that no one has done anything similar since then.

Actually I've read somewhere that a remake of M.U.L.E. is going to be made.

*searches the web*

Here, it is called Space HoRSE:
http://shrapnelgames.com/gilligames/Space_HoRSE/

Couldn't they have at least improved the graphics?