02-04-2002 01:52									#1
	A new utility for Civ2 Support Apolyton, buy Call to Power 2

I have a idea for Civ2 PBEMs. This summer I will try coding a program for PBEMs that do these things:

1) First and most important: easing the human interactions in PBEMs. All we now that humans can't do diplomacy in PBEM. So, my programs will do: you move on Civ2, you run my program and do the offer. Next player download the turn from Apoly ( ) and run my program. My program presents the oferts from others players and, when diplomacy is finish, run the Civ2 and load (if possible) the game.

2) Earthquakes. My program can generate, if a PBEM is programed for this thing, randomly a earthquake: modify the map and the save file so a new terrain is generate or a existing terrain will dissapear.

I think that hex-editing the saves (the thing that my program will do) have more posibilites.

What do you thin about this idea? Do you think that is useful?

Last edited by yaroslav on 02-04-2002 at 02:10

	02-04-2002 02:05									#2
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yes,

yes,

yes, great idea

	02-04-2002 02:11									#3
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Thank you, Shaka.

	02-04-2002 02:53									#5
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excelent

	02-04-2002 03:30									#6
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How about a utility that forbids certain productions in certain cities under certain leadership? I could really use that.

	02-04-2002 03:33									#7
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ElAwr, mind to elaborate? Please?

	02-04-2002 03:34									#8
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In a PBEM? Can you explain, El-Awerence?

	02-04-2002 11:57									#9
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Excellent idea, Yaroslav!!

	02-04-2002 19:33									#11
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Me parece una idea estupenda, pero (y que conste que yo no tengo ni idea de todo esto), tú crees que lo de la diplomacia podrá hacerse bien?

	02-04-2002 21:55									#12
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But what about the poor mac user

Unless you code it in java (which theoretically should make it compatible) you'll have to port it for the mac, and well, somehow I don't find that very likely

	03-04-2002 18:50									#13
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Yes, good idea!

Along with earthquake, you could add volcano, too. Randomly add a new mountain during the game...

	04-04-2002 00:49									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Fiera Me parece una idea estupenda, pero (y que conste que yo no tengo ni idea de todo esto), tú crees que lo de la diplomacia podrá hacerse bien?

Lo voy a intentar al menos

	04-04-2002 01:01									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Henrik But what about the poor mac user Unless you code it in java (which theoretically should make it compatible) you'll have to port it for the mac, and well, somehow I don't find that very likely

Well. I don't know what language I will use: Java and C++ are my favourites. Java has the adventage of portability, but a Java Application need the Java Virtual Machine, and I don't know if all users will download 6 MB in order to run the application.

But I can write it in C++ using MFC. Microsoft says that MFC Applications are MAC-compatible. I haven't test it but.... Also, I don't know anybody with a Mac, so if I wrote it in MFC or Java, I will need testers

The language is not choosen. It's early. I'll wrote the program in summer.

Have you another idea? I think that you must have many, many ideas, Henrik

	04-04-2002 01:03									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Marquis de Sodaq Yes, good idea! Along with earthquake, you could add volcano, too. Randomly add a new mountain during the game...

Good idea. I'll try it.

I'm seeking for ideas, so any is wellcome...

	04-04-2002 01:41									#17
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so you think you can creat extra events with that file??
i mean, creat certain unit if that event is not in the events file??

	04-04-2002 01:51									#18
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What I can do is modify the .net file. That means: all thing that is saved in these file I can modify. I think that I can create units, but I don't see the utility in PBEM. And, in scenes my program will not be useful. Imagine: move a turn, exit, load my program, move other turn, etc. It's boring!

But in PBEM we play from day to day, so it's not boring!

	04-04-2002 02:34									#19
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Yaros-

digo, por ejemplo, un programa que te permita monitorear la produccion de cada ciudad por separado de modo que puedas construir ¨Indian Sepoys¨(por ejemplo) solo en ciudades de la India, y asi.

	04-04-2002 02:41									#20
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Pues podria cambiar la producción, supongo. Pero no tiene mucho sentido porque dentro del juego no puedo cambiarlo

	04-04-2002 13:22									#21
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Hey if you manage to make it compatible
Then I can come up with tons of ideas

Sugestions (in no particular order) :

• Floods (roads and irigation destroyed around rivers (well not every river, rather a random river) Farmland would be reduced to irigation)
  
• Plagues (reduce all farmland and/or irigation one step, and if possible, reduce units health and city population by half in the area that is affected),
  
• I think unit creation can be interesting for a pbem only scenario for example... (too bad I probably wont be allowed to use this thing in the sleuage competition)
  
• Make text messages to go with these "events" you create, so that we will know that there has been an earthquake, etc...
  
• Fires, a big fire (for instance the famous one in London, or for that matter the big fire of stockholm (which I somehow suspect you haven't heard of ))
  
• Also you might want to keep fine tuned versions of the program for different scens (or keep some sort of preferences file with many scens listed) as the maps are different scales an earthquake would differ a lot in the amount of tiles it affects depending on the map...
  

You would however have to test out the probability of these things occuring rigerously, we don't want things happening every turn, every other turn, or even every fifth turn, they should be rather unusual events (as in real life).

And i really do hope you find a way to make it compatible (I'd be happy to test it for you) especially now as I've gotten all these ideas (I don't put a lot of faith in what microsoft says though...)...

	06-04-2002 03:21									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Henrik [*]Floods (roads and irigation destroyed around rivers (well not every river, rather a random river) Farmland would be reduced to irigation)

Interesting

quote: Originally posted by Henrik [*]Plagues (reduce all farmland and/or irigation one step, and if possible, reduce units health and city population by half in the area that is affected)

Only a city? Must there be a probabilty of 'expand' the plague to not far cities?

quote: Originally posted by Henrik [*]I think unit creation can be interesting for a pbem only scenario for example... (too bad I probably wont be allowed to use this thing in the sleuage competition)

Yeah, but I can't stop the player of building units. I only can destroy the units if He/She build it.

quote: Originally posted by Henrik [*]Make text messages to go with these "events" you create, so that we will know that there has been an earthquake, etc...

I will do it. It was on my mind

quote: Originally posted by Henrik [*]Fires, a big fire (for instance the famous one in London, or for that matter the big fire of stockholm (which I somehow suspect you haven't heard of ))

Not, I haven't heard of it. Sorry. What will be the effects of fire?

quote: Originally posted by Henrik [*]Also you might want to keep fine tuned versions of the program for different scens (or keep some sort of preferences file with many scens listed) as the maps are different scales an earthquake would differ a lot in the amount of tiles it affects depending on the map...

It could be done...

quote: Originally posted by Henrik You would however have to test out the probability of these things occuring rigerously, we don't want things happening every turn, every other turn, or even every fifth turn, they should be rather unusual events (as in real life).

True.

quote: Originally posted by Henrik And i really do hope you find a way to make it compatible (I'd be happy to test it for you) especially now as I've gotten all these ideas (I don't put a lot of faith in what microsoft says though...)...

I'm thinking on using Java . What is 6 MB in a modern computer today?

Thank you for your colaboration.

	08-04-2002 15:27									#23
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tengo una pregunta de tonto para listos...
jugando un pbem, no puedes mandar un email a otro cualquiera e intentar hacer acuerdos con él, cambiar una ciudad por tres unidades, p.e.?

	08-04-2002 20:19									#24
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2 Afirmaciones que se han hecho realidad y una reflexión.

1º. La aparición del Civ III, sólo ha servido para que la gente juegue más fervientemente a Civ II.

(Entre otras cosas, buscando cosas del Civ III recaí en este foro y me encontre con vds. y me reencontré con el Civ II, muy cambiado con su camiseta MPGE ).

2º. Civ II, no es un juego, es casi ya un lenguaje de programación.

Al paso que vamos, y con las utilidades que hay y van saliendo, más que escenarios editaremos el código fuente.

Civ II parece ser capaz de resistir "the test of time" mejor que sus hermanos, progenitor e hijos bastardos.

Hacer un Civ personalizado, aparte de los prototipos existentes, parece todavía muy lejano. Yaroslav está haciendo una grandísima aportación para todos en lo que respecta a los PBEM (Gracias Yaros ), y paso a paso, grano a grano se hace la montaña. ¿Será posible alguna vez un Civilization Made in Spain?.

¿Se decidirán a hacer un Civilization que supere a Civ II y nos ahorre el trabajo?

¿Merecería la pena hacer una Spanish Lista y un Spanish Lobby de sugerencias para Civ IV o Civ V y hacer fuerza para ser escuchados?

	08-04-2002 20:35									#25
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Pongo este poste para que me digáis si hay otro poste mío encima de este . Yo sí soy capaz de verlo pero cuando le dí a Submit Reply, me dió un mensaje de error. , y luego el que estaba considerado como último mensaje era el de Alf.

Gracias.

	08-04-2002 20:43									#26
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quote: Originally posted by alf tengo una pregunta de tonto para listos... jugando un pbem, no puedes mandar un email a otro cualquiera e intentar hacer acuerdos con él, cambiar una ciudad por tres unidades, p.e.?

Si, claro que puedes hacer eso, pero luego llevarlo a la practica es mas complicado porque tienes que tratar con el AI, no con el jugador, y hay veces (las mas) en que el AI incluso rechaza tus regalos...

	08-04-2002 21:02									#27
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Cute!!!

Actually, only Populous and Fate of the Dragon satisfies these calamities....

CAN'T WAIT !!!!!!!

	08-04-2002 21:47									#28
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quote: Originally posted by Kramsib Pongo este poste para que me digáis si hay otro poste mío encima de este . Yo sí soy capaz de verlo pero cuando le dí a Submit Reply, me dió un mensaje de error. , y luego el que estaba considerado como último mensaje era el de Alf. Gracias.

pues sí... hay otro poste tuyo mas gordo que este justo encima y muy interesante ademas, parece el principio de la declaracion de la independencia de los hispanos frente a los otros.

	08-04-2002 21:51									#29
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quote: Originally posted by Jay Bee Si, claro que puedes hacer eso, pero luego llevarlo a la practica es mas complicado porque tienes que tratar con el AI, no con el jugador, y hay veces (las mas) en que el AI incluso rechaza tus regalos...

ahhh eso me sorprende, asi que yo no te podria regalar una unidad o unas monedas porque la AI no lo permitiría? curioso oye.

	08-04-2002 23:05									#30
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Pos si, eso pasa a veces.... BTW, cuando te vas a animar a unirte aun pbem? O a empezar uno nuevo si ello te convence mas