02-04-2002 01:52									#1
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You must build the Intelligence Agency so you can plant a spy ... so you know what's going on.

I was playing Regent and was 1 turn away from completing my last ss component (thrusters) and therefore launching when up came this cryptic message: You have just suffered a humiliating defeat. Old Joan had beaten me ... but I didn't know how!

I was way ahead on points; she was always ahead on tech but I was hanging in there. I'd given up on using spies a couple of games ago and figured the Intelligence Agency wasn't worth building. But you need it to plant a spy so you can see how the space race is going. I hadn't done that so she got her ship off one turn ahead of me. I guess. There were no other indicators. My culture was slightly ahead of hers. I had much more land mass. So it had to be space.

Guess I have to build the IA from now on. Information is everything.

	02-04-2002 03:26									#2
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yea, i ranted about this a few turns ago, err i mean days. (wow im bad)

anyway, the epic space race is now shrouded by secrecy.

	02-04-2002 08:20									#3
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UberKrux you're right. Having to plant spies after building the IA to monitor the space race is just plain bogus.

We already have our hands full. It is a monumental struggle just to keep up with the AI militarirly, scientifically, resources, etc.

	02-04-2002 16:46									#4
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Did this get changed in the 1.17 patch? I remember when I was playing at a lower level being able to check the competition quite easily.

	02-04-2002 18:07									#5
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I thought just planting an embassy lets you know what the other civs are doing. Or is that just for wonders?

	02-04-2002 18:48									#6
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An Embassy doesn't tell you about the Space Ships. You need a spy for that with the 1.17f patch.

You used to get a notification when a part was built even without a spy. That was bug. I was counting up the parts as they were built. Now I try to plant a spy on every civ I go to war with. I just live with not knowing about the others.

	02-04-2002 19:14									#7
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I suppose it's more realistic, like the real world. But it sure does cost a lot of extra effort and gold. Here I want to be a nice peaceful civ (who won't take any guff from the others) and figure I can skip the whole spy game and get my ship up. Guess not.

	02-04-2002 20:52									#8
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I tried being peacefull.

The AI kept calling me weak and extorted me. At the first signs of extortion I start building a larger army.

Sing:

I got a little list
They'd none of them be missed.


Unfortunatly I sometimes find the situation requires that the list be hidden away for a while.

	03-04-2002 07:04									#9
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quote: An Embassy doesn't tell you about the Space Ships. You need a spy for that with the 1.17f patch.

COOL!

I didn't know that!

	03-04-2002 07:08									#10
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Hey I noticed this same thing myself, sadly it was a little too late. I went through the trouble of planting spies and checking on the others - only to find out that I had disabled victory through space-race. So it was all a big waste of time.

Chaing

	03-04-2002 07:28									#11
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I usually plant spies in the largest countries just to see their army makeup, the space ship knowledge is a bonus, of course I usually disable that option.


Haupt. Dietrich