02-04-2002 22:39									#1
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Does anyone else turn the Diplomatic Victory off? It really annoys me that the game will suddenly end without warning, and is then decided on a popularity contest. Or is there a way of predicting when it will occur?

Ollie

	02-04-2002 22:57									#2
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Once the UN is built, the popularity contest takes place immediately, then there's another vote every 20 turns. If you build the UN, you can refuse to let the vote happen.
Ways to prevent diplomatic defeat : well, I'd say, make the others hate each other ! Bribe them outrageously to betray their friends, and at the same time, give some per-turn-money and trade with everyone to make them happy with you. If they vote for you, you're sure they won't vote fore anybody else.

About your first question : I don't toggle off any kind of victory... Usually, when I start a game, I try to win through culture (still never made it, I should play with the Babs ), but because of my inability, I end up winning another way.

	03-04-2002 00:40									#3
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I see. Does the game always end after the first popularity contest that isn't vetoed by the civ that built/owns the UN?

	03-04-2002 05:05									#4
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If the vote is a tie, then the game continues. If there are an odd number of civs, and you do not control the UN, you can force a tie by abstaining, if the circumstances are right.

	03-04-2002 19:13									#5
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The best way to control it is to build the UN yourself. If the AI gets it, you have no control. I always build it and save the game just before the vote. I almost always win it, but if i have an interesting late game going, i won't bother with the vote, preferring to play out a war or whatever. The late game can get tedious when peace breaks out and the UN is a good way to just get the game over with.

	03-04-2002 20:07									#6
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I always turn off Diplomatic and Space Race victory. It bothers me when you're going along having a great game and then suddenly it's over right in the middle.

It's good that they have these for players that want them, but I like that they've included the option to turn them off.

	03-04-2002 20:13									#7
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I always turn off...

Cultural Victory... Don't like the concept of a "victory" from culture.

Domination Victory... If I'm gonna fight wars to win, I wanna conquer every city on the map, not stop 2/3 of the way there.

Diplomatic Victory... I think this one is silly. All you need is enough cash to buy the vote.

	04-04-2002 01:07									#8
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Diplomatic victory was handled better in SMAC.

	04-04-2002 06:34									#9
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I could swear once I turned OFF the Diplomatic Victory option - but still the U.N. vote was held. I ALWAYS turn it oiff and leave it off, BTW.

	04-04-2002 20:15									#10
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quote: Originally posted by watorrey The late game can get tedious when peace breaks out

I know, I hate it when all the Civs spread havoc and destroy everyone's carefully thought out plans by declaring peace left right and centre....

	04-04-2002 20:32									#11
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I kind of like the diplomatic option. Since I dont pay close attention to who might vote for me it can lead to some surprising results!