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Rude Americans Seen Proliferating
Wed Apr 3,10:28 AM ET

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Ugly Americans are everywhere, and in greater numbers than before -- so say Americans themselves.


A survey released on Wednesday by Public Agenda, a non-profit organization dedicated to unbiased public opinion research, said three out of five people believed rude and selfish behavior had increased on highways and in stores in recent years.

"Lack of manners for Americans is not whether you confuse the salad fork for the dinner fork," said Deborah Wadsworth, president of Public Agenda.

"It's about the daily assault of selfish, inconsiderate behavior that gets under their skin on the highways, in the office, on TV, in stores and the myriad other settings where they encounter fellow-Americans."

The survey -- "Aggravating Circumstances -- A Status Report on Rudeness in America" -- said 73 percent of those polled thought Americans treated each other with greater respect in the past, although 21 percent called that idea false nostalgia.

A solid majority felt Americans had become more thoughtful and caring after the Sept. 11 attacks, but far fewer thought the good feeling would persist. And just over half of respondents said they believed the money donated to Sept. 11 victims would be misused or misdirected.

Bad service from sales staff drove 46 percent of respondents out of stores in the past year. Among those earning more than $75,000 a year, 57 percent had left a store because of the service, the study said.

A common complaint was that salespeople acted as though the customer did not exist. Eight out of 10 respondents said store owners were to blame for cutting back on hiring and making customers wait for service.

Survey respondents also voiced displeasure at inconsiderate cell phone users. Asked how to address the problem, 61 percent backed legislation banning cell phone use in public settings such as restaurants, movies and museums.

Also, 58 percent said they often encounter rude drivers, with just 35 percent admitting to such behavior themselves.

The study, prepared for The Pew Charitable Trusts, surveyed 2,013 adults in a nationwide telephone poll between Jan. 2 and Jan 23. It included focus groups in Cleveland, Ohio; Fort Lauderdale, Florida; St. Louis, Missouri; Frisco, Texas; Danbury, Connecticut; Fort Lee, New Jersey; and Berkeley, California.

The margin of error was plus or minus 2 percent.


Whether you are American or not, do you believe this is true?

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Indubitably.

However, my recent move to the South has led my to believe it is not true of Americans universally. These peple are so damned friendly and polite you want to hug them. However, not having been here in the past, it is impossible for me to know if they were even nicer and more politie in the past.

edit: Uh-mur-uh-cun.

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I've never read such truth.

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Oh, I agree with it as well.

But, just for curiosity, could you say whether you are American or not?

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I can, and am not.

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I think Americans are amongst the most polite people in the world, so if standards are dropping its from a very high level.

Why are Americans so polite? The cynic in me says its because there is no gun control in the U.S. That would make me very polite to strangers too

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If you want rude, go to France...

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If you want rude, go to France...


I don't find the French rude - as long as you try and speak french.

If you want rude, go to Hong Kong........

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I do speak some French and believe me they are rude

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That's because you're English

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Americans are ruder than before because they spend more time in high density traffic nowadays.

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Indubitably.

However, my recent move to the South has led my to believe it is not true of Americans universally. These peple are so damned friendly and polite you want to hug them. However, not having been here in the past, it is impossible for me to know if they were even nicer and more politie in the past.

edit: Uh-mur-uh-cun.


In the past??

Ask some older blacks how polite and nice many white Southerners were in the 1950's.

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blame this on boy bands

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Bad service from sales staff drove 46 percent of respondents out of stores in the past year. Among those earning more than $75,000 a year, 57 percent had left a store because of the service, the study said.


It's not unusual for me to walk out of a store if I'm getting bad/no service. I did it last Sunday. --Hey, does this mean I'm getting a raise?!?

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I don't find the French rude - as long as you try and speak french.
If you want rude, go to Hong Kong........


Ain't that the truth. Americans are saints compared to what goes on here. And it is as bad among the expats as it is among the locals.

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The Hong-Kongians I know seem to be rather well-mannered.

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If you can't wait more than a minute for a sales assistant to finish what might be important business, then you might want to re-prioritise a little...

I hate people fawning over me in shops or restaurants anyway - I prefer my service to be there when I need it, invisible otherwise. And it annoys me that people consider Brits and other northern Europeans unfriendly just because we're not plastic grinning idiots.

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I agree with KrazyHorse. I also know some nice people from Hong Kong. They even support PC games over console games.

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These nice people you know in Hong Kong? Try and get on a Hong Kong before them at peak hour

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The Hong-Kongians I know seem to be rather well-mannered.


Well yeah, but we are the exceptions you see

People just shove and push and barge into lines and be generally inconsiderate here. Howver it seems to be understandable because the population density is so high.

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I hate to sound like David Duke here, but is everybody from Hong-Kong less than 150 cm? The 4 I know are just about the 4 shortest people I'm acquainted with. Mainland Chinese seem to be much taller on average.

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What?

Not even my SO is that short, she's at 160cm, which is the average for women here. Men average around 170cm IIRC.

There are so many people here that, whenever I go outside I ususally end up in a bad mood, even when I am in a good mood to start with. There are people constantly in your face, and idiots everywhere.

This past Chinese New Year there are 500,000 people gathered to watch the fireworks. 500,000 is the entire population of Finland (hi Stefu )!

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I hate to sound like David Duke here, but is everybody from Hong-Kong less than 150 cm? The 4 I know are just about the 4 shortest people I'm acquainted with. Mainland Chinese seem to be much taller on average.


Younger people are getting taller, but generally I can see above the crowd and I'm 5'9"

The big height problems are:
1) In a lot of apartments, the bedrooms are only 6'x6' which means I can't fit in my bed;
2) the top deck of a double decker has low ceilings. My head touches the roof.

And yes, the crowded nature of HK is probably the main reason why people are rude

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Should I have the title to this thread changed to ARE PEOPLE IN HONG KONG SHORT?

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There are so many people here that, whenever I go outside I ususally end up in a bad mood, even when I am in a good mood to start with. There are people constantly in your face, and idiots everywhere.


Yeah, Causeway Bay on a Saturday will drive you up the wall.

I saw a comedian on Letterman who said Hong Kong is a place where it seems like every minute a rock concert has just ended.

But actually, there are a lot of places where's its not crowded. I used to live on an outlying island called Lamma that had about 7,000 people in the main village. Quite a nice rural place.

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Should I have the title to this thread changed to ARE PEOPLE IN HONG KONG SHORT?





Getting back to the thread subject, I've always found that Americans tend to be polite (arrogant, but still polite).

The States is about the only place where people regulary say ma'am or sir (as in the cop saying: "Sir, put your pants back on.")

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People just shove and push and barge into lines and be generally inconsiderate here. Howver it seems to be understandable because the population density is so high.


I didn't know you were a Hong Kong resident! I love Hongkers!

Can I come and stay? Know any good whorehouses?

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But actually, there are a lot of places where's its not crowded. I used to live on an outlying island called Lamma that had about 7,000 people in the main village. Quite a nice rural place.


7000 people? That's more than a town in most countries.

There are some nice areas in the SAR, but they are either expensive or far away. I know a lot of expats who live on one of the outlying islands, but going to work takes quite a bit of time.

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I didn't know you were a Hong Kong resident! I love Hongkers!

Can I come and stay? Know any good whorehouses?


Oh no! It's the dreaded Horse attack!

Good thing there are lots of people here. *hides in a crowd*

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If you want rude, go to France...


If you want rude, go to Suomithread and try to speak finnish.

 
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