04-04-2002 23:20									#1
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We are on a path to Monotheism. In the event an advance leading to Monotheism is unavailable, what should our alternate path be?

Invention to get us to Leonardo's Workshop,

or,

Navigation to better explore our world?

	04-04-2002 23:23									#2
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Gramphos did an earlier poll that was pretty close so this is to verify those results after seeing the screen shots.

	05-04-2002 00:11									#3
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We should be offerred a chance to research Monotheism when Poly is complete because we will have both the prerequisite techs (Poly and Philo). In fact, I sure hope the appropriate Minister is recommending a trade with the Indians for Poly before we get it on our own. We might be able to pursue Mono at once with only a couple of turns to go for it.

	05-04-2002 04:44									#4
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Cavebear I'll give it a try and be very gentle...
and if they don't want to exchange==> LEO:a great way to make a great army

Shade

	05-04-2002 05:36									#5
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Invention, I say!

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I say invention too. Because if we get the workshop, eventually our settlers will become engineers, and that will increase the ability of my ministry to build new cities.

Steele

	05-04-2002 07:15									#7
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Trade!

	05-04-2002 07:55									#8
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Trade! Invent! Dominate!


MWAHAHAHA! Resistance is Useless!

YOU WILL BE EXTERMINATED!!!!!!!!!!!!

	05-04-2002 12:45									#9
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quote: Originally posted by MrWhereItsAt Trade! Invent! Dominate! MWAHAHAHA! Resistance is Useless! YOU WILL BE EXTERMINATED!!!!!!!!!!!!

What the...

Oh no he went mad...

He must have got Rabies somehow...

We really need to get rid of this danger:

What shall it be emprison?
or inocculate??

Shade

	05-04-2002 16:21									#10
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Generaly, navigation is nearer and easy to reach for facilitate exploration and transport.
For Leo's, we have time, as AI does'nt rushbuy wonders if he discover invention before us.
Conclusion : navigation first, then invention.

	05-04-2002 18:05									#11
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I entirely disagree. Suppose someone gets invention and then we aren't offered it on our next research choice? Get invention safely in the bag now if Monotheism isn't a choice.

	05-04-2002 18:54									#12
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I agree with JCP. Normally, I'm a big fan of Invention, but on this world, it really looks like Navigation will offer us a greater payoff.

I think the chances that we'd lose Leo are pretty small, and as long as we prepare our camels in advance, we should easily win that race, too.

Vote Navigation, ppl !!

* offers MrWhereItsAt a nice, soothing drink *

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quote: Originally posted by -Jrabbit * offers MrWhereItsAt a nice, soothing drink and a little valium *

	05-04-2002 21:05									#14
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invention invention so we can get to gunpowder asap!

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why don´t we research and oldest tech like the wheel??

btw,

are we going to trade techs with foreign nations??

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quote: Originally posted by Shaka Naldur are we going to trade techs with foreign nations??

I am,
but not if they are out of our techpath before we get mono.

(btw isn't the wheel on the path of invention??)

Shade

	06-04-2002 05:54									#18
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quote: Originally posted by shade offers MrWhereItsAt a nice, soothing drink and a little valium

>>Message

FOOLISH HUMANS! WE DO NOT INGEST AS YOU DO.

OUR SUGGESTION IS THAT WE MUST HAVE KNOWLEDGE OF THE OTHER CIV'S TECHS BEFORE WE CAN DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT WE MIGHT MISS LEO'S WORKSHOP BY OPTING FOR SLIGHTLY LESS PRIMITIVE SAILING BOATS.

IT IS HIGHLY ILLOGICAL TO RISK MISSING THIS WONDER IF ANOTHER CIV HAS THE REQUISITE TECHNOLOGY. A NECESSITY IS TO ESTABLISH FOREIGN RELATIONS WITH THE PUNY ROMANS AND INDIANS TO DETERMINE THIS RISK. THIS WILL ALSO RESULT IN MORE STRATEGIC INFORMATION FOR OUR INEVITABLE GLORIOUS WAR OF CONQUEST.

(OR, IN PUNY HUMAN TERMS: "We should investigate (with diplomats) the techs of the civs around us to determine whether or not we could miss the critical Leo's Workshop by going first for Navigation. Besides, once the cities we have build defenders, settlers and temples, we should really make caravans and diplomats priorities in most of them.")

I AWAIT FURTHER INSTRUCTIONS. >>Message ends

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Outstanding Post! 9.7 for style. Loved it.

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>> Message

YOUR PRAISE: UNNECESSARY.

ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF THIS UNIT'S STATEMENT: SATISFACTORY.

I>> Message ends

	07-04-2002 07:18									#21
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MrWIA: I think cavebear was a little under-generous. I rate it a 12.4 out of 10. I think that sums up the creativity nicely.

Since when do we have an alien robot in our citizenry?

We should be able to easily trade for the Wheel, and any other prereqs for Invention that we don't have at this point. Invention is a more worthwhile wonder then Magellan's, but if we can get both, all the better.

Shade: I got mono once. It sucked. I spent three days in the hospital.

Steele

	07-04-2002 07:50									#22
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Steele - One of the judges was subjorned (sp?). I have my city investigators seeking out which one. But I had to report the results they gave.

	07-04-2002 15:06									#23
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quote: Originally posted by steelehc Shade: I got mono once. It sucked. I spent three days in the hospital. Steele

something tell's me this is not monotheism you rae talking about,although I have no clue what is...

ok the reports of those 3 last advirors didn't arrive,to bad...

Shade

	07-04-2002 19:35									#24
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quote: Originally posted by steelehc Since when do we have an alien robot in our citizenry?

Don't you guys know a Dalek when you hear one?


Thanks guys. I thought about continuing, but it's bound to get on someone's nerves.

shade, lay the Smack Down on those lazy advisors. How many warnings did you give them, anyway?

They should be publicly tarred and feathered.

	07-04-2002 21:40									#25
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quote: Originally posted by MrWhereItsAt Don't you guys know a Dalek when you hear one? Thanks guys. I thought about continuing, but it's bound to get on someone's nerves. shade, lay the Smack Down on those lazy advisors. How many warnings did you give them, anyway? They should be publicly tarred and feathered.

Since they refussed to send their reports I just played without them.Due to the fact that my internetconnection was dead for several hours this afternoon I only send the new saves now,sorry for the delay.
Full report in a few hours(now I first have to do something for school it has to be finished by tommorow so be patient there are 14 screenshots waiting to be shown.
(one thing I already can tell we finnally got to researching monotheism(only 2 or 3 turn before it's finished)...I tried to trade several times with the Indians=> they didn't care,they said we were to retarded for their technology.)
then when we got poly I had the choice between banking,the wheel,feudalism and I forgot the other one=> no MONO )


Shade

	08-04-2002 03:03									#26
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Whats a Dalek? Is it like an Alien Robot?

Mono = mononucleosis, a disease, also called the kissing disease. I got it a number of years ago, when I was 15, I think. It ruined most of one semester of high school.

Which advisors failed to send in their reports? I could arrange for them to go surveying at the South Pole...


Steele

	08-04-2002 03:07									#27
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quote: Originally posted by steelehc Which advisors failed to send in their reports? I could arrange for them to go surveying at the South Pole... Steele

love the idea

Shade

	08-04-2002 06:46									#28
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quote: Originally posted by steelehc Whats a Dalek? Is it like an Alien Robot? Steele

My. God. A Dalek is only the premiere nemesis of the world's longest running sci-fi series - Doctor Who! Even America got the show, as well as most of the Commonwealth, and at it's height it was watched by 250 million worldwide. It lasted 1963-1989 and continues today off-screen in DVD releases of old stories, half a dozen new books per month, including non-fiction, Magazines, countless fanzines and there's a sanctioned new story on audio CD every month also. Douglas Adams? Tested his sci-fi knowhow as script editor on the programme just before he properly got into Monty Python. Ridley Scott? Worked on an alien-causes-you-to-turn-into-it-in-horrific-style Doctor Who before he did Alien. They did TV time travel before Star Trek. ANd the phone box that travels through time in the Bill and Ted movies? Well... Doctor Who did that first with a time travelling Police Box! << shakes head in disbelief >>

	08-04-2002 21:06									#29
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quote: Originally posted by MrWhereItsAt Even America got the show, as well as most of the Commonwealth, and at it's height it was watched by 250 million worldwide.

wich is like less then 0.5% of the world population...

quote: It lasted 1963-1989

and stopt like 3 years before we had a television at home...


just kidding...are there really so many ppl stil interested in such an old thing?

Shade ,back to business,where is my whipe...

	08-04-2002 23:18									#30
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The things have changed... my mind too !
Now, our Prez Shade built LightHouse. Navigation and caravels are no more urgent.
Go straight to Invention ! (after Monotheism)