02-03-2001 07:21									#1
	I don't know if this has been mentioned: Civ - limited units Suffering from ads?

like, each civ would have little weaknesses and advantages in certain or most of their units. A sort ov refinement of the RedAlert country specifications...

	02-03-2001 13:17									#2
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umm, nevermind, misinterpretted the topic.

*note to self: dont answer posts so late at night
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	02-03-2001 13:33									#3
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Yes, this topic is the source of great tension among the Civ community. It seems most people don't want civs to have ANY differences between them (except maybe in dimplomatic matters). They seem to feel this would lead to a pre-determined "history" rather than something totally freeform. They also think that civ bonuses etc. should reflect in-game actions. We shall see.

	03-03-2001 00:05									#4
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I do understand their point. I do agree with it, perhaps this units should be better or worse depending on the technology and maybe production level of the nation...

however, it should be possible to build weaker but cheaper versions of an unit. (ie, Russians T-40s during WW2, i think they produced 1,000 per day or so, of course i could be wrong)

	03-03-2001 05:49									#6
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XIWVWIX

quote: Originally posted by XIWVWIX on 03-02-2001 02:05 PM (ie, Russians T-40s during WW2, i think they produced 1,000 per day or so, of course i could be wrong)

	04-03-2001 02:11									#7
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Well, there is a form of a CIV-related unit already - the Fanatic in a Fundamentalist Government...or was that only in CTP and CTP2...

	05-03-2001 09:24									#8
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Producing 100 tanks per day, huh?

Too bad in Civilization games it takes 40 turns to produce ONE Musketeer unit (for small cities with no industrial facilities).

In real history, it would not have taken a fair-sized city 50 years to help its nation create a musketry unit.

	06-03-2001 03:53									#9
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MrFun, I'm sure you understand the unit doesn't actually represnt one musketeer... if you don't you ought to be playin age of empires or red alert.

The units here are representing armies of mostly the same unit who have a main goal.

cannon unit actually contains a batalion of musketeers to defend canoneers as canoneers can't defend themselves otherwise.

	06-03-2001 04:52									#10
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This brings up an important point. Population should determine the upper level of units a civ can produce, or certain types of units at least e.g. militia units. In addition to normal fully-trained and equipped musketeers or riflemen, you could cheaply build militia units, but at a cost of population, say, 1 pop point per 5 militia units. They would be weaker than the most modern infantry you can build at the time, but you could build lots of them.

When your war's over, or you otherwise no longer need them, you can disband them, which would add the population points back to the city whence they came. Say you build 15 militia units from one city, and 8 die. When you disband them you would get one pop point back. Of course, this depends on whether Civ3 has city-based or civ-based military support.

It would be a strategic tool, to be used when your desperate, or to overwhelm an opponent. As it comes at a cost to your population, it wouldn't be used all the time, so it would add to the gameplay options as another way of fighting warfare. Anything to avoid the annoying predictability found in CTP!

	06-03-2001 06:25									#11
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The most glaring flaw in Civ 2 regarding the combat system - units don't take away population.

	06-03-2001 23:41									#14
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[quote]Originally posted by Adm.Naismith on 03-06-2001 03:06 AM
Hmmm, not sure about this.
AFAIK the reduction of working population (because men were in army) was a major factor of old army limits.


AFAIK, it depended on the time period and the dominant military techs. When armies are dominated by infantry, with large numbers and low resource requirements per soldier, that is true. When armies are dominated by heavily armed cavalry, or highly trained infantry (eg roman legions) the CIV2 support model is more accurate. An added level of complexity is added in societies like the Roman Republic, which recruited from particular social classes, and so might face a recruitment crisis even when the total population was large.

	07-03-2001 18:30									#15
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Good point about social class element, you sure must know this my Lord

Anyway, I agree about heavy cavalry coming from high class, still army used infantry in most of the battles (I'm not counting skirmishes here).

Heavy cavalry are supported from serf, too (I hope I'm using the correct translation here) that come from lower classes.

Anyway, we agree that in real world armies use population (robot not included here ), I hope Firaxis will find a playable way to take this more in account that from Shield supports only.

It really remember me when at work my boss use the word human resouces as if we where speaking of coal or wood

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