06-04-2002 01:55									#1
	EU2 worth it? Support Apolyton, buy GURPS/ Alpha Centauri

Does EU2 feature any radical changes from EU1 or does it simply polish it?
And are the changes worth an extra £25 or should i get the original?
Thx in advance

	07-04-2002 09:43									#2
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EU1 is but a demo of EU2. Events and Social Engineering (or whatever it's called) add a great deal to the game.

	11-04-2002 02:09									#3
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	17-04-2002 01:51									#4
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How about EU2 vs Civ3? I have Civ3, and like it alot. Will I like EU2?

	17-04-2002 02:07									#5
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It's different than C3.

I can't say that you would like it or hate it based on your like for C3.

But I know I like EU2 better than C3.

	17-04-2002 02:53									#6
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quote: Originally posted by Anunikoba It's different than C3. I can't say that you would like it or hate it based on your like for C3. But I know I like EU2 better than C3.

I just bought EU2 yesterday. So far it seemskind of slow. The idea for the game seems pretty cool.

So far though, I can't say that I like it more than Civ3 they are just different.

	17-04-2002 05:01									#7
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I like EU2 a little more than civ3...I have both discs in my 2 drives so I can alternate between playing them without swapping discs. I haven't played EU1 so I can't comment on the differences between that and the sequel.

	18-04-2002 02:23									#8
	Re: EU2 worth it? Support Apolyton, buy Call to Power 2

quote: Originally posted by Rage And are the changes worth an extra £25 or should i get the original?

Yes, definately!

	18-04-2002 03:31									#9
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Still nothing going on in my game, the one war I started lasted until I besieged the province, then he sued for peace. Even though he had 10 provinces and I had 1.

	19-04-2002 21:15									#10
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Does it need patches to work properly? And I read in some review that historical events can be annoyig if you try out an alternate history. So I'm wondering if you can edit the events.

	19-04-2002 22:10									#11
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It needs the latest patch.
Events can be edited, made up.
A scenario editor will be included in the next patch (1.05)

	20-04-2002 01:13									#12
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Well i finally got paid and decided to go with EU2 instead of the first one.
All i can say is that its brilliant!
Its complicated and looks like it has nearly infinite replaybility.
I think ill be playing this for months.

	20-04-2002 02:34									#13
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I'm starting to get into it a little more. Still seems slow at times. THen WHAM BAM everythin happens at once.

	20-04-2002 02:34									#14
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If I buy a game it must last for years.

Is the latest patch 1.04? And where can I get that? I found some sites with an American version, but no European or Belgian; only a "Nordic" 1.03. Is the American version ok to me or should I try to find another one?

Thanks for the answers!

	20-04-2002 02:40									#15
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Btw, how many pages is the manual? The box in the shop I'd like to buy it is less than a centimeter thick. How does a manual fit into that??

	20-04-2002 03:18									#16
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It has 100 pages, 93 of which are actually information.

It's also very small, with small type.

	20-04-2002 04:29									#17
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And is everything explained in such a short manual for presumably such a complex game, or is it rather like the SMAC or Civ3 manual where many basics of the game are not explained, making it difficult for the beginner?

In the meawhile I'll start looking for a magnifying glass.

	20-04-2002 04:43									#18
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EU2 also has a tutorial. I HIGHLY recommend playing through all the tutorials. It helps explain the manual quite a bit.

	20-04-2002 04:53									#19
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Thanks, I'll do that. I'll probably buy the game Monday. I can't wait.

	20-04-2002 04:54									#20
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Oh yes, probably the Benelux version comes with 1.04. So need to worry about patches!

	20-04-2002 18:24									#21
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quote: Originally posted by M@ni@c And is everything explained in such a short manual for presumably such a complex game, or is it rather like the SMAC or Civ3 manual where many basics of the game are not explained, making it difficult for the beginner?

EU2's manual is at least better than Civ3's one IMO. It's crammed with information. And the few pages that don't tell anything about gameplay are filled with huge lists of beta testers.

	20-04-2002 20:14									#22
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quote: Originally posted by M@ni@c Oh yes, probably the Benelux version comes with 1.04. So need to worry about patches!

Quite correct.
The European Ubisoft release includes patch 1.04
The Polish release doesnt but there is a patch on the polish distributors site.

	21-04-2002 01:05									#23
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quote: Originally posted by lockstep EU2's manual is at least better than Civ3's one IMO. It's crammed with information. And the few pages that don't tell anything about gameplay are filled with huge lists of beta testers.

lol!

Still 48 hours to go...

	22-04-2002 18:00									#24
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Once you've played the tutorial and read the manual there's a nice big forum full of 95% friendly users ready to give you advice.

Some of the historical events can sound kind of stupid if you have strayed too far from your historical position but that is understandable. The scripting is far superior to Eu1 and there are lots of dedicated fans improving them all the time. Its one of the major advantages for having clear text files and a scripting language.

	22-04-2002 18:06									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Grumbold Once you've played the tutorial and read the manual there's a nice big forum full of 95% friendly users ready to give you advice.

.... it is now 94%!

	22-04-2002 18:20									#26
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You're only supposed to ban the unfriendly ones

	22-04-2002 19:18									#27
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quote: Originally posted by Grumbold You're only supposed to ban the unfriendly ones

lol -- oops - maths went wrong!

	22-04-2002 23:28									#28
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Yes, I've already visited the official forums and plan to register once I've read the 68! page manual. I've got lots of questions, and a complaint! Confucianism is on all fronts worse than eg Buddhism. Not fair or fun I think. And since when is Japan Confucianist?? I thought it was Zen Buddhism or something like that.

	23-04-2002 00:00									#29
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Certainly read the manual first, despite its limitations.

Just be aware that there have been several patches/changes since its publication. In religion, for example, most of what you read in the manual has been tweaked. IIRC, the difference, currently between Buddhism and Confucianism is minor (but the latter is still slightly worse).

Look in the religion.csv file in the /Db directory for a matrix of current religion modifiers.

	23-04-2002 01:24									#30
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Ok, my current opinions about religion are based upon the FAQ thread in the EU forums. I'll check if they are still up to date.