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axi
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Athens Greece
Sep 1999
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You guys are unbelievable! I am 3-4 without access to the internet and when I finally get to browse Apolyton, expecting to see hevy criticism of the Zionist aggression, I only see support! Shame to those who support the Zionist fascists!
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I will display the Israel flag as my avatar for about a week, to show my support. |
Your support to the murders and the concentration camps?
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Should the United States have never taken an offensive against the terrorists in Afghanistan?? |
Exactly!!
As for MtG:
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I put mine up because of the constant slamming of Israel by the same people who rationalize and excuse Palestinian terrorism and arab agression. This way, my Israeli friends here and elsewhere know that some people still stand by them.
Especially when we have three guys here (don't know if Yoav and Taurus post here at all anymore, and I don't know if Mark is beyond military service age) who are very close to service age in the IDF, and it may well be their asses on the line, and certainly a lot of their friends. |
Since I know you enough to know your intelligence, I am really surprised of how much deluded you are.
1. In this forum, there is mysteriously no slamming of Israel by anyone except a few brave souls. Instead there is constant slamming of the Palestinians by people who are indirectly responsible for their demise (Americans).
2. Against people who are commiting the moral crime of giving an excuse to the Zionist aggression, by primarily blaming Arafat and the PLO for the situation (Americans) or by keeping an "equal distances" policy between the Israeli occupation and the Indifada (Europeans), openly declaring that THE INDIFADA SHOULD WIN BY ALL MEANS and that any Palestinian who sacrifices his life for his people's liberty is a HERO and not a terrorist, becomes a must. individual terrorism is no excuse for state terrorism, never is, never was.
3. Since you worry alot about our friends in Isreal, let me ask you this: how come we don't have any Palestinian friends in Apolyton. Well, I guess Palestinians don't have computers and don't play civ; they are lucky to have a proper house and water supply. As for my own accord, I know a few Palestinian students in my university and I care more about them and their families than about the idiots that frequent this site, believing that life is a big game of civ.
4. Siro, Eli, Yoav, Taurus, Dalgetti, etc, had better refuse to serve the IDF beyond the green line, as hundrends of their fellow countrymen have done. This is an unjust war and it is a shame to risk your neck in order to make some Palestinian kid your enemy for life.
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Oh - you mean a visit to a holy site of his religion? Yes, nobody should have that freedom. And the poor, innocent, peaceloving Palestinians hadn't been doing anything prior to that, no, of course not. They were really cracking down on Hamas, and doing everything they could to abide by the terms they agreed to at Oslo. |
There had been no attacks between 1996 and 2000. The Palestinian organisations started attacking after they figured iut that there wasn't going to be any free Palestinian state after all and that Arafat was doing nothing about it. This was Israel's fault, wasn't it?
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MACEDONIA - It's the name of the sovereign country to the north of Greece
Apr 2000
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And what do you say about the culture of the Hagana and the Irgun? |
that will be the zionist "culture" . It has both european elements and elements of the East. Yair was a poet, publishing many songs. People strived to build a country for the jews to live in , to escape the oppression of other states. Our country has freedom of speech, and pluralism , that is "western" , and much more heartiness , and informalism, that more "eastern".
And of course , you didn't even try to answer my question , because you're so blind. So completely blind, and ignoring the dangers that we ,and all other people that want to see themselves free and equal face. The orthodox Islamic preaching and the social structure it brings with itself.
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As for the bombers themselves, I personally find them much more heroic than the average Israeli or American soldier who are murdering civilians from the safety of their vehicles
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here lies a mind , so extremist and fundamentalistic , that is probably beyond correction.
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Bereta_Eder
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Terrorism is the fruit of oppression.
Of course noone is going to admit American murders and Israeli murders. That's why there are palestinian murders.
The whole world is shouting against Sharon's offensive and the massacre of 200 Palestinians, their families and their children humiliated.
Noone here speaks about this.
Israeli soldiers (most of them) act like punks murdering and pillaging against defenseless people and yet all is ok.
And then you ask why they blow themselves up?
Of course it's wrong but wrong is also the state terrorism.
Unfortunately, I am starting to believe that israel does not want a Palestinian state to be formed. Thus the murders and humilation that fuel suicide bombers who ultimately kill the hopes of a palestinian state.
Avis personel.
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Bereta_Eder
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Let palestine be formed and then you have the whole world fighting with you against terrorism if it will still exist.
As long as this does not happen, there is no point in condemning it because it will go no.
But it suits some people that it goes on.
And these people play their necks as well as their peoples necks in this.
Sharon is as bad as your next suicide bomber. Worse, since he is democratically elected if you think about it.
Noone talks about the Israelis who are against this course of action too.
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Bereta_Eder
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Look Dinodoc, people like you are as much the cause of the problem as Sharon.
You have eyes but yet you do not see.
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Bereta_Eder
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The part of the problem is you throwing accusations of supporting terrorism and by doing that permitting the oppression, murder and humiliation to continue and the problem itself to perpetuate.
You hide behind what suits you and prolong the problem and the loss of human lives.
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Sirotnikov
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<--- Yes, It's a "kitty" in a boot.
Feb 2000
time: 07:18
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axi, your resources (indymedia i imagine) give you a very distorted vision of the world.
It is sad that people like you only see the world in two shades - opressors and opressed, and can't see anything beyond that.
It's true, Israel does opress the palestinians and they do deserve a state.
However, the Palestinian leadership did all it could to hurt Israel and support terror. And now, it's time for Israel to clear up the territories from the terrorist encampments that Arafat allowed to be created.
And unfortunately, due to this being a heavily populated urban area, sometimes innocent people are paying with their lives.
However, you should be ashamed to call the killing in battle, of murderous palestinain terrorists, who sniper at Israeli children and who hold their own neighbours hostage.
No one supporting Israel supports the continuationg of opression. As you could wittness in 2000, most Israelis do not support continuation of opression.
Do not be mistaken - this act is not one of opression but of liberation. We are freeing the palestinian people from those who cause harm to their goal. You must understand, terrorists are affecting Israeli public opinion. It makes Israelis feel unsafe. If Israelis feel unsafe - they will keep electing hardliners.
After this operation ends, hopefully after completeion and success, there will be much much less terror acts, and in that enviroment, Israelis will elect a new peacefull PM and will be willing to make peace.
Arafat's fault is that he has been educating against compromise, against peace, against normalization, against living side by side. It starts in schools, where children are taught about the "evil Jews", through military summer-schools where children are taught to "attack" Jews, to TV shows and religious sermons calling for hatred against Jews.
Read www.memri.org www.pmw.org.il www.imra.org and open your eyes.
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Bereta_Eder
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The only contribution to this is your insistence on saying "condemn suicide attacks, condemn suicide attacks condemn them condemn them condemn them".
Relax silly, we condemn them. That does not mean they will not go on.
Now is your turn to condemn Israeli aggression and murders. But you won't. You hide behind the saying that it is being done to stop terrorim or some equal lie.
The problem is you.
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Bereta_Eder
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Dinodoc the only brick wall is you.
The only time you understand anything is when your own people are getting killed. Sad fact. Very.
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