07-04-2002 10:04									#1
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This is probably going to get flamed like some jap-cave from Iwojima so im going to sit back and watch it burn .

Best leader for all the civilizations goes to one nation!
You guessed it!

the AMERICANS!!!

They invented the *modern* computer as we know it today, they came up with Civilization as we know it(the game) and they ultimately get to decide who is the leader of one civ or another in their game...

SO, my question is: If all the leaders in the next patch became some famous american, would you still play the game(and not mod it to hell to change the portraits)?


*Feel free to spam/flame all you want, im just trying to spark some international conversation.

	07-04-2002 15:15									#2
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I wouldn't play it because it is stupid. Just like I wouldn't play it if all leaders were made to be famous people from other nations.

Kaiser Wilhelm Leader of the Iroquis, Frederick as leader of the Zulus, Adolf Hitler as leader of the Americans. It's just stupid.

So my answer is no.

	07-04-2002 15:51									#3
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Stupidest idea yet. Plus, the British invented the computer.

	07-04-2002 16:15									#4
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How was Konrad Zuse related to Britain?

	07-04-2002 16:18									#5
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Electronic Computer.

	07-04-2002 16:27									#6
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Yes. Z3 by Konrad Zuse.

To be fair, Turing and Zuse were working at around the same time (namely around WII), so it should be a close one. I'm not surprised by that victor's claim though

	07-04-2002 18:36									#7
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The inventor is neither of those. "Colossus" was built by the Brits in 1943 to aid in decoding German war transmissions. The existence of Colossus was not public knowledge until the early 1970s as it was restricted information. This lead to the false claim that ENIAC (1946) was the world's first electronic computer.

The inventor was a little-known postal worker.

	07-04-2002 20:06									#8
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Konrad Zuse's Z3: built in 1941.

	07-04-2002 20:22									#9
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Link?

	07-04-2002 21:07									#10
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I'll have a look... in the meantime, where is yours?

	07-04-2002 21:09									#11
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http://www.cyberstreet.com/hcs/museum/chron.htm

counterlink?

	07-04-2002 21:10									#12
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I forgot to mentione something:

	07-04-2002 21:18									#13
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Pardon me???


Have you been smoking too much weed lately? This question deserves to be ignored...

***IGNORE MODE ON***

	07-04-2002 22:16									#14
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::snicker::

::chuckle::


What have I started? :teheheheh:


Quote from a forum post in another civ forum:

"Man, you're crazy. Everyone loves America. Its the land of the free, home of the brave."

Tear it to bits angry mob!!

	08-04-2002 06:41									#15
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I can only agree with Sagacious Dolphin.
A game like that would be stupid.

What if instead of the other leader we choose leaders of Ancient Egypt, Rome, Germany, England, etc... .

I can not see Pharaoh Ramses of the Americans as well as I can not see President Roosvelt of the Egyptians.... IT'S STUPID.

Saluti

	08-04-2002 06:57									#16
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Ever notice how easy it is to (hate to use an old phrase) "get your goat" ?

You guys will jump on anything like its foreign policy.

"Lighten up man..."

-Chong, 'Up In Smoke'

	08-04-2002 22:05									#17
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You asked a question, we answered.

	09-04-2002 04:28									#18
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quote: Konrad Zuse builds the Z3 computer in Germany, the first calculating machine with automatic control of its operations

(From the link)



I'd never heard of this before...

Unfortunately, it's not an electronic computer. It's electromechanical, as information was stored and processed mechanically in banks of relays that were flipped through electrical impulses.

quote: The Z2 and Z3 computers were electromechanical relay machines and the Z3, completed in 1941, had an electromechanical memory composed of relays as well as an electromechanical arithmetical unit

http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/...cians/Zuse.html

	09-04-2002 14:16									#19
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Weird question with no banana option to bail out --> voted for option #4

	09-04-2002 20:32									#20
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I was duped into reading this thread. I thought it would be a vote about which leader in the game was the best choice.

Now, I see it is just dumb.

Will Millard Fillmore be a choice for leader?

Jacka$$.

	10-04-2002 08:45									#21
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quote: Ever notice how easy it is to (hate to use an old phrase) "get your goat" ?

I think the fact that you announced your intentions in your first post sort of destroyed this troll. You should take some hints from the trolls in the OT; they can get people to flame away without realising it's a setup.

	10-04-2002 16:24									#22
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And people wonder why they hate us...

	10-04-2002 16:24									#23
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dp

	13-04-2002 22:36									#24
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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse Stupidest idea yet. Plus, the British invented the computer.

Actually the first computer WAS invented by an American.

The first "computerized" manufacturing device (a punch card loom) was invented by monks in the 15th century.

	13-04-2002 22:42									#25
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quote: Actually the first computer WAS invented by an American

Which computer?

EDIT: again, electronic computer. Mechanical computers can be regarded as anything stretching back to the abacus.

	13-04-2002 22:53									#26
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Can we see some pictures of these computers and a list of functions, so we may judge whether or not they are "computers"?

	13-04-2002 23:04									#27
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Colossus was a fully programmable and electronic computer (processing and memory) with mechanical input/output built to do pattern-matching in Enigma-encoded messages. Its base components were standard vacuum tubes, of which it contained 1500. I earlier stated that it had been constructed in 1943. It appears I was wrong, and the first one was completed in 1944. At the end of the war all 3 Colossus machines were dismantled and most technical documents relating to it were destroyed. ENIAC was built along the same basic lines in 1946

	13-04-2002 23:12									#28
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Oh damn, and for a moment I thought we had been first at something. So Colossus surely didn't have any transistors (too early), so what's the difference to the Zx machines by Zuse?

	13-04-2002 23:41									#29
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quote: Originally posted by Ecthelion Oh damn, and for a moment I thought we had been first at something. So Colossus surely didn't have any transistors (too early), so what's the difference to the Zx machines by Zuse?

You don't need transistors. Transistors are voltage-controlled current sources and so are vacuum tubes. Transistors are just a millionth the size and based around different physical principles. The difference between a fully electronic computer like Colossus and an electromechanical computer like Z3 is not all that great, but there is additional flexibility and speed provided, in addition to the conceptual importance of not relying on the physical positions of switches/relays for storage and processing. In the end they both can be fully programmable, but one of them hearkens back to Babbage's difference engines and the other one seems more modern and provided a blueprint for development.

	14-04-2002 05:44									#30
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I see, so while Zuse's engines were the max of what you could do with the old stuff, the Colossus was some kind of fundament for future development?

I find it's worth a laugh how all the intellectual threads have moved from OT to Civ3 in the past 2 years.