08-04-2002 11:34									#1
	Frontier Imperial Dip 1 Fall 1865 Moves Support Apolyton, pre-order Civilization IV

Japan (MDR) (+ Fij, + Nze, + Prt)

1. A SK -> HOLDS
2. F KURIL -> W.PACIFIC
3. F W.PACIFIC -> EQ.COUNTERCURRENT
4. F EQ.COUNTERCURRENT -> FIJ
5. F CORAL -> SUPPORTS F(EQ.COUNTERCURRENT) -> FIJ
6. F SW.PACIFIC -> NZE
7. F TASMAN -> SUPPORTS F(SW.PACIFIC) -> NZE
8. F NSW => SUPPORTS F(TASMAN) -> HOLD
9. F LUZON -> SUNDA
10. F SUNDA -> JAVA (Bounce with England)
11. F CELEBES -> SUPPORTS F(SUNDA) -> JAVA
12. F TIMOR -> SUPPORTS F(NTR) -> PRT
13. F NTR -> PRT

Ottoman (Victor Galis) (- Gr)

A Dar-Fzz
A Trp S A Gre-Tun
F Ion C A Gre-Tun
F EMed S F Ion
A Gre-Tun (Bounce with France, Dislodged, Destroyed)
F Con-Aeg
F Ank[nc]-Con (Bounce With Austria)
F Sud-Aby
F Red C A Aden-Asw
A Aden-Asw
A NEJ-Aden
F Oman S F Persian
F Persian S A Krc
F Ban S A Krc
A Krc H
A Khv-Orn (Bounce with Russia)

China (Ruffhaus8) (+ Tsh, + Oms, + Amn)

A Vladivostok supports A Yakutsk - Kamchakta
A Yakutsk - Kamchakta
A Irkutsk - Krasnoyarsk
A Mongolia supports A Irkutsk - Krasnoyarsk
A Krasnoyarsk - Omsk
A Evenki supports A Krasnoyarsk - Omsk
A Khirgistan - Tashkent
A Bokhara supports A Khirgistan - Tashkent
A Lanchow - Khirgistan
A Kashgar supports A Kashmir - hold
A Tibet supports A Kashmir - hold
A Kashmir supports Turkish A Karachi - Rajputana
F Yellow Sea - hold
F South China Sea supports F Cochin - Gulf of Siam
F Cochin - Gulf of Siam
F Gulf of Siam - Malaysia
F Malaysia - Andaman Sea
F Andaman Sea - Andaman Islands
A Yuthia - Bangkok
A Mandalay - Burma
A Yunnan - Wuhan
A Rangoon supports A Bengal - hold
A Bengal supports French F Bay of Bengal - Hyderbad

Brazil (Steelehc) (+ Rec)

F P. Basin S: F USA E. Pacific -> Glp
A Lma H
A Bgt S A Pan (Support Broken)
A Pan S A Bgt (Support Broken)
A Rdj S F Pra -> Rec
F Pra -> Rec
F B. Current -> M. Atlantic (Bounce with France, Dislodged, Retreat to CoArgentina)
A Ama -> Pra (Bounce with France)
F Drake -> A Atlantic
F Flk S F B. Current H (Invalid support, Unit in B. Current moved)
F: Ctn: H (Unordered)

USA (Lionheart) (+ Glp, + Mer, + Hai)

1.) F E. Pacific - Glp
2.) F Kirbati - Sct
3.) F C. Current - E. Pacific
4.) F W. Coast - GoCalifornia
5.) F N. Pacific - Haw
6.) F W. Bay - N. Pacific
7.) A Mxc S A Oax - Mer
8.) A Oax - Mer
9.) A Maz - Oax
10.) F Cub S F W. Car - Hai
11.) F W. Car - Hai
12.) F GoMexico - W. Car
13.) F Atl - E. Seaboard
14.) F E. Seaboard - Sargasso
15.) F Nyc - Chesapeake
16.) A Wdc - Ohi
17.) A Chi - Tnn
18.) A Neb H
19.) F Hon (wc) - GoPanama (Bounce with France)
20.) F Bha S F E. Seaboard - Sargasso

France (The Orange One) (- Rec, - Fij, - Nze, - Mer, - Hai, - Glp)

1. F-Fij H (Dislodged, Destroyed)
2. F.G.Manaar >E.Indian
3. F-A.Atlantic > B.Current
4. F-S.Atlantic S F-A.Atlantic > B.Current
5. A-Dml > Ctn (Bounce with Brazil)
6. F-Rec S F-Cyn > Pra (Dislodged, Retreat to NE Trades)
7. F-M.Atlantic S F-Rec (Support Broken)
8. F-Cyn > Pra
9. F-E.Car > Bgt (nc) (Bounce with Brazil)
10. F-Hai S F-Sargasso (Support Broken, Dislodged, Retreat to Vrg)
11. F-Sct S F-Glp > P.Basin (Support Broken)
12. F-Glp > P.Basin (Bounce with Brazil, Dislodged, Destroyed)
13. F-G.Panama > Pan (sc) (Bounce with Brazil)
14. F-Mer H (Dislodged, Retreat to Gtm(ec))
15. A-Cmn > Okn
16. F-Sargasso S F-Hai (Support Broken, Dislodged, Retreat to Canary or Vrd)
17. F-Azo S F-Biscay
18. F-Biscay S F-Azo
19. F-Alg > Tun (Bounce with Ottoman)
20. F-Tun > Tyr
21. A-Vlc H
22. A-Nan S A-Rou
23. A-Rou S A-Nan
24. A-Hol S A-Kie
25. A-Kie S A-Hol
26. F-Sic S F-Tun > Tyr
27. F-W.Med S F-Alg > Tun

Austria (Defiant) (+ Sev, + Gr)

A-PRS - LIV
A-SIL S A-WRS
A-GLC - SEV
A-RMN S A-GLC - SEV
A-WRS S A-GLC - SEV
A-BUD - GLC
A-WLC S A-RMN
A-BOS S F-ADR - GR
F-CRT - ADR
F-SAL S F-CRT - ADR
A-ROM - HOLD
A-SOF - CON (Bounce with Ottoman)
A-STU - BER
F-ADR - GR

Russia (Boshko) (- Oms, - Tsh, - Sev)

A Tsh-Ksl
A Grg-Orn
A Oms S A Grg-Orn (Support Broken, Dislodged, Retreats to Prm)
A Mos S A Sev
A Sev S A Mos (Support Broken, Dislodged, Destroyed)
F StP H

England (El Awrence) (NMR, All units support each other) (- Prt, - Amn)

F: Anc: H
A: Alb: H
F: Qbc: H
A: Den: H
F: North s A Den
F: Lon s F Edi
F: Edi s F Dub
F: Dub s F N. Atlantic
F: N. Atlantic s F Lon
A: Fin: H
F: Trn s F M. Channel
F: M. Channel s F Trn
F: HoAfrica s F Arabian
F: Arabian s F HoAfrica
F: Hyd: H
A: Lck s F Hyd
A: Del s A Lck
A: Raj s A Del
A: Guj s A Raj
F: Sgr: H
F: Sum s F Java
F: Java s F Jva (Support Broken)
F: Jva s F SE Trades
F: SE Trades s F Sum
F: Barrier s F A. Pacific
F: A. Pacific s F Barrier

Holland (Chazzy) (NMR, All units support each other)

A: Bot s A Rho
A: Rho s A Bot
A: Srw s F Bor
F: Bor s A Srw
F: Cel: H

Invasion Report

USA takes Mer, Hai, and Glp and nets 4 Builds

Brazil takes Rec and nets 2 Builds

England Nets no Builds

France Nets no Builds

Holland Disbands 1 Unit

Austria took Gr and Sev netting 3 Builds

Ottoman nets no builds

Russia nets no builds

China took Tsh, Oms and Amn and netted 3 Builds)

Japan took Fij, Nze, Prt and netted 4 Builds

SC Report

USA - ORG SFR CHI DET WDC RCM ATL NOL AUS MAZ NYO MXC MER Neb Wsh Nme Kan Okl Bha Haw Cub Hon Hai Glp - 24
Brazil - BRA RDJ OLI CTN FLK REC Lpa Prg Uru Lma Brc Bgt Pan - 13
England - VNC QBC NVS LON EDI DEL BOM SP ANC CEY JVA SUM DUB TRN Vct Grn Nor Den Srg Swe Alb Mds Yuk Sey Mad Mld - 26
France - SCT NAN PAR MRS CRS MNV GCS CYN PRM RUH HOL GB Pie Ivc Vrd Sic Tun Vrg Cmn Okn Vlc Sie Kie Mrc Azo - 25
Holland - BOR Bot Srw Rho - 4
Austria - VIE VEN CRT BUD BER SIL SOF PRS WRS SEV Rom Sr Sal Bav Rmn Stu Gr - 17
Ottoman - CAI CON CYP ANG BAG ADE Ban Cre Bku Sud Trp Oma Teh Aby Krc Khv - 16
Russia - STP MOS GRG ORN - 5
China - MNC PEK SHA CAN WUH CHK SNK PA HK CMB CCH VLA IRK OMS Tnk Brm Ben Yut Ran Bnk Seo Fsn Kas Mls Tsh Amn - 26
Japan - SAP EDO KG OKI PRT Luz Crl Mnd Mhl Fm Ija Ngu Sk Que Nsw Fij Nze - 17

Player contacts

GM- Du_Chateau
Email - du_chateau@yahoo.com
ICQ - 44369275

Britain - El Awrence (Erwin Rommel)
Email - hodad1984@mixmail.com
ICQ - 102139615

France - The Orange One
Email - the_orange1@hotmail.com
ICQ - 109943271

Holland - Chazzy
Email - chazzy@execpc.com
ICQ - none

Austria - Defiant
Email - defiant@coredcs.co
ICQ - 46172786

Russia - Boshko
Email - dboshko@wesleyan.edu
ICQ - 37211450

Ottoman - Victor Galis
Email - VictorG@aol.com
ICQ - 47756253

China - Ruffhaus8
Email - ruffhuas8@aol.com
ICQ - 63418710

Japan - MDR
Email - mikedr@gte.net
ICQ - None

USA - Lionheart (Orange)
Email - OrangeSfwr@aol.com
ICQ - 91875872

Brazil- steelehc
Email - steelehc@hotmail.com
ICQ - 44497963

Eliminated

Mexico (His Divine Shadow) - Spring 1865

Prussia (Bearcat) - Spring 1863

CSA (Secretariat) - Fall 1861

Retreats are due ASAP
Builds due at 9:00 PM PST Tuesday
Fall 1865 moves due at 5:30 PM PST Saturday April 13, 2002

P.S. Check for Errors
P.S.S. Press is still voluntary.
P.S.S.S. Builds are in the invasion report

	08-04-2002 19:43									#2
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Map: www.angelfire.com/rpg2/orange/imperialfall1865.gif

Check for errors.

Also, some of the retreats were listed in the moves, so i went with those. However, some retreats have more than the option given.

	08-04-2002 23:04									#3
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That was right prompt! Thanks.

	08-04-2002 23:21									#4
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Oh man, I'm gonna puke.

	09-04-2002 00:02									#5
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I gained an SC! How about that.

It says in the report: Brazil nets 2 builds. When do I get to build new units?

Steele

	09-04-2002 00:12									#6
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Steele,

You submit orders for builds now. Send them in to Du_Chat like your orders or post them here. By e-mailing them to the GM, you can keep the move secret until all other adjustments are revealed.

Builds and disbands (adjustments) happen after the fall turn (moves and retreats) in what is called the 'winter' turn. On this map you can build in any unoccupied home supply center that you currently control. These SCs are indicated by squares as opposed to diamonds.

Thanks for stepping in...

	09-04-2002 01:20									#7
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France retreats

F: Mer OTB
F: Sargasso - Vrd

France now has 1 Build

	09-04-2002 01:21									#8
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Umm... I'm pretty sure I get a build:

-Gre, but +Aden and one unit destroyed

	09-04-2002 01:47									#9
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As for France, I count:

Units:

F Sct, F Gtm, F GoPan, F Vrd, F E. Car
F Vrd, F NETrades, F M. Atl, F S. Atl, F B Curr.
A Dml, A Okn, F Azo, F Biscay, A Vlc
A Nan, A Rou, A Hol, A Kie, F WMed
F Tyr, F Alg, F Sic, F E Ind

24 units

SCs:
SCT, Vrg, PRM, CYN, Okn
Cmn, Ivc, GCS, MNV, Sie
Vrd, Azo, Mrc, Gib, Tun
Vlc, Sic, Pie, Mrs, Nan,
Par, Ruh, Hol, Kie

24 SCs

No builds, did I miscount?

	09-04-2002 08:22									#10
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O' CRAP Damn it to late .

Holland disbands F-CEL

	09-04-2002 09:11									#11
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Victor Galis - You missed CRS as a Home Supply center for France thereby giving France 25 SCs

	09-04-2002 09:14									#12
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so does he have two builds now that he retreated F Mer OTB?

	09-04-2002 09:25									#13
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If I can post my builds here:

Army in BRA
Fleet in OLI

If I cant post my builds here, then someone tell me quickly, because I just did.

Steele

	09-04-2002 10:19									#14
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Ah.... curses.

	09-04-2002 10:27									#15
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Wait... now I also count 25 units:

2 in the pacific:
F SCT, F GoPan

1 in the indian: (3 total)
F E Indian

5 in the Southern Hemisphere: (8 total)
F B Current, F S Atlantic, A Dml, A Okn, F M Atl.

6 in Carribbean: (14 total)
F Gtm, F ECar, F Vrg, F Cyn, F NETrades, F Vrd

5 in the Med: (19 total)
F WMed, F Alg, F Sic, F Tyr, A Vlc

2 in the North Atlantic (21 total)
F Azo, F Bis

4 on the continent (25):

A Nan, A Rou, A Hol, A Kie

	09-04-2002 10:28									#16
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Oh and BTW, Build F Con

	09-04-2002 13:41									#17
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yes, but I retreated Mer (which is in Guatemala on the map) OTB

	09-04-2002 18:24									#18
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Ah... I see... (Relying on a map is not always good.)

	09-04-2002 19:41									#19
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This is heating up.
USA, how foolish are you. Do you really think Japan and China for that matter are going to leave you alone. Japan has to control the Pacific, look at history. Once Japan controls the Pacific, where do you think he is going next, don't let the mighty USA become a puppet country. Revisit World War Domination to review just how fast Japan can crush the USA.
USA be advised, China's and Japan's policy will be to let you overextend and then rip you apart like a virgin.

	10-04-2002 00:33									#20
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Thanks for your advice

	10-04-2002 02:08									#21
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Cute. I have not had any problems sharing control of the Pacific with another major power. I will continue to do so. I do have problems with European consolidation, however. Europe may look small on the map, but it has the highest concentration of SCs on the board. Anyone that has access to that may very well solo in this game.

	10-04-2002 06:18									#22
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Ha Ha,
Now begins the diversionary tactics, "don't look at my backyard because look what is going on over there".
Fact: China and Japan are VERY close allies.
Fact: China is moving Westward and building lots of fleets.
Fact: Japan controls the East and the Pacific.
Fact: China and Japan are back to back powers.
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Conclusion: USA's ass is grass and is about to be mowed.

France and Austria are allies and we are back to back, Austria is going East and France is trying to handle the West, difference being China and Japan are alot more concentrated and growing at a substantial rate with no slow down in the immediate sight.

Draw your own conclusions:

	10-04-2002 08:02									#23
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THe USA and I have had a very strong agreement since the beginning of the game. I don't mess with the western hemisphere, and he doesn't mess with the eastern hemisphere. Early on in the game, I simply could have kept him out of the Pacific by taking Hawaii. However, I ceded control of the region to him for better relations.

As you have already stated, France and Austria are allies, back to back. Currently, the two of you dominate Europe and Africa. Austria only has a few regions it can exploit (Russia) before it runs into the defenses Turkey and China have erected. Once France and Austria have been stymied in their attempts to push east, where else do you think they can go? I doubt they'll simply remain where they are, when Brazil and the USA are just a few short moves to their west.
You should also note that France and Austria are much closer to consolidating their theaters than China and Japan.

	10-04-2002 13:47									#24
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quote: Originally posted by MDR Cute. I have not had any problems sharing control of the Pacific with another major power.

What about the three times you stabbed me, after we had agreed on three seperate occassions to a division of the Pacific?

	10-04-2002 17:45									#25
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You were trying to convince the USA to attack me...possibly others, as well.

	10-04-2002 17:52									#26
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The question is MDR, as the leader of the Japanese, do you have a stronger agreement/alliance with China or USA, it will come down to that and your answer has to be China.
As the leader of Austria we have to expand to meet the Chinese aggression and with the Sultan lying to me when I asked for his help with Russia obviously made himself a target. The premier of France has gone way out of his way to not be a target of the USA, but the USA leader is young and inexperienced in such diplomatic ventures however, you sir are an extremely distinguished politician but with the USA eyes at least on your every move, the surprise attack that we know the Japanese are able to do, might be extinguished before it happens.

	10-04-2002 17:57									#27
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You have forgotten another option. That I can work with both of them.

France is already the USA's target, since he has control of most of the atlantic, and a good chunk of the Caribbean.

I have no desire to harm a neighbor that can curb European aggression.

	10-04-2002 18:04									#28
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I never tried to convince the US to attack you, i just warned them that you might stab him as you had already stabbed me before. Of course then he stabbed me on 3 consecutive turns, but hey, there you go...

	10-04-2002 18:16									#29
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quote: Originally posted by Defiant but the USA leader is young and inexperienced in such diplomatic ventures however

	10-04-2002 18:53									#30
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See..........................
The young leader already sleeping at the diplomatic proceedings.
Young Americans will be Bi-lingeral soon, Japanese as a second language.