18-03-2001 19:30									#1
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Having read the discussion on bugs in the "poll" thread, I realize, as DaveV said, that many of the bugs are design decisions - like the settler cheat in civ1.

Now there is another list of things the AI does to keep ahead of the game. it's here:
http://apolyton.net/forums/Forum3/H...html?date=08:38

compiled by SilverDragon

things like how the AI doesn't worry about pollution, never has a democracy fall no matter how long their cities are in disorder, and the well documented fact that roads and irrigation simply "grow" on AI contolled land.

My favorite absurd story is of the guy who discovered a tile with roads and irrigation WITH A HUT ON IT!

I realize that almost all of these must be design decisions. like how enemy civs in civ1 were simply "given" Wonders of The World.
But They did fix that in civ2.
I wonder what is the possibilty that most of these AI cheats will be "fixed" in civ3, and players can look forward to more realistic competition against the AI
[This message has been edited by Father Beast (edited March 18, 2001).]

	19-03-2001 09:00									#3
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Henrik...
Hey, I didn't know that there was a method to it.

the point is, SilverDragon's list is pretty comprehensive, I wonder just how much of these things will be fixed for civ3?

	19-03-2001 20:29									#4
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Firaxis can of course fix all the problems, but...
Then we have a question about AI-goodness.
Those small computer cheats were a way to balance game if they aren't there you need a much better AI or the game will be easier.

So do you relly want them all away for singlegame?

	20-03-2001 02:10									#6
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Father Beast:

quote: I want to compete with the AI in ways that would work with me. I want to be able to knock out settlers that are trying to improve their land.

	20-03-2001 08:49									#7
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But didn't SMAC fixed a lot of that? For example, they actually have terraformers running around doing stuff? I am sure more improvements can be made so the computer players cheat less.

I always hate it when computer players cheat.

	20-03-2001 10:13									#8
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I agree, the AI should be "smart" enough, using logic and predefined algorithms that are executed at rates of 1000's per second to achieve the neccessary "knowledge" to perform against a human opponent. This would be nearly immposible to do in an everyday environment, but since the game has all variables predefined (as a set of rules) the calculations to make those variables can and should be executed at differnet skill levels to allow for a playable AI that doesn't "cheat."
Does the AI have short, medium, and long term goals? Or does it renew every decision without thought of consequence for the previous decision? Or a little of each? The latter would seem to be the most desirable, but the hardest to code for. Why should we not want the best AI, maybe a radical approach is needed? I'm not speaking of something that would pass the Turing Test, just some hard core logic placed up against known equations.

Becareful what you ask for, you just might get it!