08-04-2002 22:00									#1
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I'm the Persians sharing a continent with the Iroquois and Russians. I have an MPP with Hiwatha. Russians attack him. I go to war with Russians. Hiwatha attacks me. I make peace with Catherine signing MA against Hiwatha. A turn later Russia declares war on me. I go to the FA screen to check status of Russia and Iroquois. They are not at war and are not at peace. They proceed to both attack me and each other for the next 5 turns, yet never declare war on each other. Pretty intresting AI maneuver if its not a bug.

	08-04-2002 22:35									#2
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Quick question: how did you avoid throwing your computer through the wall after all this? **** like this should never happen, otherwise WHAT IS THE GODDAMN POINT IN MAKING THE PACTS IN THE FIRST PLACE. Let the record show that, I already hate this game, and should the next patch really suck (and there's little doubt that it will), that will be the end of the Civ franchise, for me. Sad, really.

	09-04-2002 00:02									#3
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Something like your experience seems to be quite rare.

While it might well have been a bug (don't forget to send your saved game to Firaxis), it might also just be one of those strange, rare events in alternate history, such as 9/11.

JB

	09-04-2002 00:31									#4
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i've never seen an AI go all crazy like that. sure i've seen the AI go crazy and do all sorts of wacky stuff, but i never saw them manipulate the alliance system like that. DEAR LORD, MAYBE THEY'RE LEARNING!!!! no, soren didn't make an AI that learns, or for that matter, thinks. Artificial Ignorance is a better term. or Artificial Inability (cheating). it must be a bug.

	09-04-2002 01:09									#5
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Sounds like Hiwatha and Catherine were acting like they had a MPP with one another - which, of course, should have been voided if they went to war with one another.

	09-04-2002 01:13									#6
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In the early stages of a game, I have seen the computer civs attacking each other, even though the diplomacy screen shows that there are no relations between the civs. That is fairly annoying...

	09-04-2002 01:21									#7
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quote: I go to the FA screen to check status of Russia and Iroquois. They are not at war and are not at peace.

For a bit of clarification. Did you have embassies with both of them?

Sure sounds weird either way though.

	09-04-2002 01:49									#8
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quote: Originally posted by ixnay37 In the early stages of a game, I have seen the computer civs attacking each other, even though the diplomacy screen shows that there are no relations between the civs. That is fairly annoying...

You need embassies at the other civs to see their diplomatic relations.

	09-04-2002 01:59									#9
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Hmph, I guess I never realized that. It makes sense, though...