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Siberia, Communist party of Apolyton
Nov 2001
time: 11:18
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Originally posted by Barley
Can't they do their own dirty work? |
No, they can't.
They always used someone to do their dirty work and after this work is done by someone, they appears in shining armor and shout "Hey, people of the World, look how great American nation saved your asses once again".
After 10-15 years no one will remember about Northern Alliance, no one will remember about your SAS and others. There will be only one myth created by Hollywood that once, in 2002 USA defeated an Evil Afghanistan, the country wich Brits and Russians failed to conquer. Defeated not by hands of Northern Alliance (by supporting one side in civil war), but because Americans are supreme warriors, exelent strategists and the most heroic people on this planet (and the same bullsh!t).
This is how they acted and always will. Just face it.
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David James
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Kingston, Province of Ontario, Dominion of Canada
Jan 1970
time: 00:18
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Originally posted by Sprayber
You English are so funny. 
Your inferiority complex only serves to entertain us as we march to the inevitable triumph of American culture.
Of course we are getting kind of tired of cleaning up messes that YOU created in the last centuries of your Imperial Glory.
Afganistan and Palastine are both fail British experiments that we are now having to clean up. It's only proper that you expend some kind of effort in the endevor. |
Hang on there... Afghanistan was perfectly alright until the Soviets invaded. As for Palestine... well the Americans were the ones who pressured the British into letting Jewish settlers in in the first place. And much of the rest of the Middle East is as much the US's fault as Britain's. This is most notably the case with Saudi Arabia, which is a US invention, and just so happens to be Osama's homeland as well as the home of practically every one of the suicide terrorists of Sept. 11 and is the source of most of his financing. The British wanted to give Arabia over to the British-installed kings of Jordan (when was the last time they caused anyone any grief? hey?) but no, Washington decided that their client/manipulator, a fellow by the name of Saud, should be made king of most of Arabia, hence Saudi Arabia, in exchange for giving the US the right to the oil that had just been found in the region. This was before WWII, I might add.
I admit that carving up India was a mistake, but then that's what their leaders wanted, and so Lord Mountbatten did so. He should have just ignored them and left it as one big country.
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Sprayber
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Dixie
Oct 2000
time: 23:18
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Originally posted by David James
Hang on there... Afghanistan was perfectly alright until the Soviets invaded. As for Palestine... well the Americans were the ones who pressured the British into letting Jewish settlers in in the first place. And much of the rest of the Middle East is as much the US's fault as Britain's. This is most notably the case with Saudi Arabia, which is a US invention, and just so happens to be Osama's homeland as well as the home of practically every one of the suicide terrorists of Sept. 11 and is the source of most of his financing. The British wanted to give Arabia over to the British-installed kings of Jordan (when was the last time they caused anyone any grief? hey?) but no, Washington decided that their client/manipulator, a fellow by the name of Saud, should be made king of most of Arabia, hence Saudi Arabia, in exchange for giving the US the right to the oil that had just been found in the region. This was before WWII, I might add.
I admit that carving up India was a mistake, but then that's what their leaders wanted, and so Lord Mountbatten did so. He should have just ignored them and left it as one big country. |
Most of that wasn't meant to be taken seriously. I don't really blame the Brits for the Middle East problems. At least not them exclusively. Everyone, including the US shares some of the blame. Same situation with Afghanistan. I am very pleased with British support for America. But Barley seems to have a problem with Americans. 
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Ned
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of Aptos, CA
Oct 1999
time: 21:18
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Originally posted by David James
And much of the rest of the Middle East is as much the US's fault as Britain's. This is most notably the case with Saudi Arabia, which is a US invention, and just so happens to be Osama's homeland as well as the home of practically every one of the suicide terrorists of Sept. 11 and is the source of most of his financing. The British wanted to give Arabia over to the British-installed kings of Jordan (when was the last time they caused anyone any grief? hey?) but no, Washington decided that their client/manipulator, a fellow by the name of Saud, should be made king of most of Arabia, hence Saudi Arabia, in exchange for giving the US the right to the oil that had just been found in the region. This was before WWII, I might add.
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Here's more on that.
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1948 Article: BritishScheme to Dislodge Americans
From Middle-East Oil Control
By OBSERVER
In recent days the inner struggle in the Arab world for domination has taken a decisive turn. The star of Ibn Saud, king of Saudi-Arabia, is setting with the rise of the star of Abdullah, king of Transjordan. In this change, the figure behind the scene are British and American interests. Abdullah is a stooge of the British. Ibn Saud is a protege of the Americans. The entire setup shows that the British have been not only playing against Jewish interests in Palestine but developing a long-range scheme against American interests in the Middle East.
The end of the First World War saw the Emir of Mecca under the Turks, Hussein Ibn Ali of the Hashimite Family, become king of independent Arabia. One of his sons, Feisal, was enthroned in Damascus, from which he was later removed by the French, and then invited to be king of the new kingdom of Iraq under the British mandate. Abdullah, another son of Hussein, and the elder brother of Feisal; became Emir of Transjordan, which had been separated from the body of Palestine but kept within the Palestine mandate entrusted to the British by the League of Nations. Thus the family of Hussein the Hashimite ruled over the major part of the Arabian Peninsula and over Iraq and Transjordan.
* * *
A LEADER of the Wahhabi tribe of religious zealots, by the name of Ibn Saud, who ruled in Nejd, in the western part of the Peninsula, rose against Hussein Ibn Ali, king of Mecca and “all Arab countries.” Only shortly before, in March, 1924, Hussein, during a visit at Amman, Transjordan, had proclaimed himself the Caliph of all Moslems. Ibn Saud marched toward Mecca. Hussein and his heir Ali were defeated. Hussein abdicated and went into exile, and was brought by a British warship to Cyprus, a British Crown Colony. There he died.
Feisal, King of Iraq, involved himself in a protracted dispute with Ibn Saud and had the British on his side. When Feisal died and his son, who succeeded him, was killed in an accident another son became the present regent of Iraq, the king being a child, a grandson of Feisal.
Abdullah is now the head of the Hashimite family and a bitter enemy of Ibn Saud, who expelled his father from Mecca. Abdullah is a British puppet and was elevated to the kingship by the British on May 25, 1946. By this step that part of the mandate over Palestine which is on the east of the Jordan was terminated—a wholly unauthorized act, since the British had no right to make such changes in the body of the mandate without the approval of the League of Nations or its heir, the United Nations.
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THE head of the Moslem world is the Caliph. For centuries the Caliphate belonged to the Turkish Sultan. Since the deposal of the last Sultan, Abdul Hamid, and the rejection of the office by Kemal Ataturk, the first President of the Turkish Republic, following the separation of church and state in Turkey, there is no Caliph in the Moslem world.
The chief pretenders for the much desired role of Caliph are Abdullah, the son of Hussein, who was the deposed king of Mecca and a self-proclaimed Caliph; and Ibn Saud, the ruler of Saudi Arabia, which includes the emirate of Hejaz with Mecca and Medina. Other pretenders are King Farouk of Egypt, the most populous country in the Middle East, but his weak personality does not impress the Arab world. Still another aspirant is the exiled ex-Mufti of Jerusalem, a schemer whose entire ambition is directed toward that goal. As a student of the Moslem law he is an ignoramus, and has made many enemies among prominent Arab families because of his assassination of his political foes. With the defeat of the bands which he sent to Palestine, his star has become completely dimmed.
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THE two main aspirants to domination in the Arab world are personal enemies: Ibn Saud, who gave the oil concessions in his kingdom exclusively to American interests, and thus earned the animosity of the British; and Abdullah, whom he deprived of the throne at Mecca and who is a British-created, British-supported, and British-financed king.
In the event that Abdullah, with the help of the British, is successful in the war against Jewish Palestine, he, and not Ibn Saud, will be regarded as the head of the Arab world and as the natural successor to the Caliphate.
This is the objective for which the British prepare, using Jewish Palestine as a rung in the ladder in order that they and Abdullah may return to the riches of Saudi Arabia with its oil.
It is a long-range policy camouflaged by the Palestinian problem. The British Middle-East strategists have maneuvered the American oil companies and the State Department into playing decidedly against their own interests.
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09-04-2002 14:33
Run out of steam eh Sprayber? There's plenty more up your arse BTW 
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