11-04-2002 21:43									#1
	Mark please fix second page o' smilies Support Apolyton, buy Call to Power 2

Problem #1: page takes forever to load

Problem #2: some people don't see/think about second page smilies.

Suggestion: Put all smilies in a bigger box in the regular thread reply window.

Corrolary: This will help the "beaver" smiley.

	11-04-2002 23:23									#2
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Who uses the smiliebars anyway? Just write the code for the smilies, and dsable the bar in the control panel.

	11-04-2002 23:41									#3
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quote: Originally posted by Gramphos Who uses the smiliebars anyway? Just write the code for the smilies, and dsable the bar in the control panel.

I do ...sometimes.

But GP is right, I forget we have those new smilies, because I never look at the second page.

	12-04-2002 00:05									#4
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The smilies just slows down the reply-page, they were the first thing I disabled (together with the vB-code bar)

	12-04-2002 00:27									#5
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I don't really remember a lot of the smilies codes, so I use the sidebar most of the time...but I do forget about the 13 smilies not shown.

	12-04-2002 00:43									#6
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Well, I'm happy to have a small reply page It loads fast, and I can have it in a small window.



But of cource, I forget some simlies I don't use often, but in other hands I look on the smilie page now and then when there are no interesting posts to read

	12-04-2002 09:05									#7
	Put an end to popups!

I never use the vB code bar...it would be nice if I could get rid of that and keep the smilies bar...

	12-04-2002 10:59									#8
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how in the hell can I remember the codes for those obscure smilies?

	12-04-2002 13:44									#9
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i dont see a problem...

	12-04-2002 20:20									#10
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You just need to remember the code you use often, the other you can look up. I made a calculation on it, and the time I save from not loading all the smilies and the vB-bar when replying makes is bigger then the time it takes to look up a smuiliecode oce every ten posts (which is more then I do)

	12-04-2002 22:07									#11
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quote: Originally posted by MarkG i dont see a problem...

OK, Mark.

To see slow loading, try loading second page of smilies and time the load.

To see ignorance of second page, just read the replies to this thread.

Now you too can see.

	12-04-2002 22:12									#12
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quote: To see slow loading, try loading second page of smilies and time the load

so you want to add that loading time to the main reply page ?

	12-04-2002 22:44									#13
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quote: Originally posted by MarkG quote: To see slow loading, try loading second page of smilies and time the load so you want to add that loading time to the main reply page ?

No. I hope you can figure out a way to do it without significant load time. Perhaps the load is based on something different about the second page of smilies. First page loads quickly even though it has 30 (!) smilies.

	12-04-2002 22:57									#14
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Can yuo put the smilies in an IFRAME

	12-04-2002 23:32									#15
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1. If you take the smilIes off the reply page, then replace them with prominent signage, everyone gets faster load times (which IMHO as a user, is this site's biggest problem), and those who want smilIes are one click away. That click could then reveal all available smilIes, perhaps including some of the new ones that Stefu has been working on.

Then again...

2. Smilies are used all the time around here, whereas regarding VB code doesn't seem to be in common use. So maybe that's the thing that should go.

3. Maybe some of the newer smilies could be "promoted" to the main page and replace some of the less-used models currently shown there. (The interminable variations on "banned" come to mind... And most of the red ones look the same.).

4. A more prominent "MORE" link might be helpful in keeping some of these poor, underemployed smileys off the dole.

5. The IFRAME is a non-compatible tag. Fine in IE, but it breaks in Netscape and Mozilla.
DON'T USE FRAMES!! FRAMES ARE EVIL!!!

	12-04-2002 23:47									#16
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I agree that frames are bad... but as I have it disabled any way it wouldn't affect me ... and popups are worse.

	13-04-2002 12:51									#17
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Well I think that second page should be linked from the quick reply box.

	14-04-2002 01:59									#18
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I think that the second page smilies load slower because most of them are animated, whereas most of the front page smilies are not.

	14-04-2002 04:50									#19
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I agree with Grrr!!
A link in the quick reply would help those who don't memorise the smilie codes, and doesn't slow down load times for those who do memorise the smilie codes or don't actually use them.

	16-04-2002 13:10									#20
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how about we display the code for the smilies (which appears at the bottome of internet explorer when you hover the mouse over the smilie face). The code will then be a link to place the smilie in the text.

Having just text for smilies will negate the graphics and load time associated with it. The smilies would only show up in the post itself.

We can determine what smilie is which from the words inside the :'s.

	16-04-2002 20:55									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident how about we display the code for the smilies (which appears at the bottome of internet explorer when you hover the mouse over the smilie face). The code will then be a link to place the smilie in the text. Having just text for smilies will negate the graphics and load time associated with it. The smilies would only show up in the post itself. We can determine what smilie is which from the words inside the :'s.

GREAT IDEA!!!

Markos think for more than .9x seconds on this.

	17-04-2002 00:37									#22
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Of course the load speed of the reply page is less important now that we have the Quick Reply window

SG[1]

	17-04-2002 00:53									#23
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I forgot about the quick reply window. This is my first time trying it out. I'm assuming you can use smilies with it if you know the code.

	17-04-2002 01:19									#24
	Avatar Enlargement: We've got the solution

The point is that most smilies are loaded in the thread anyway, so it doesn't really matter about the graphics loading time, it is only the html which is HUGE.

	17-04-2002 09:12									#25
	Remove this text

Just print the Smilies page out, and keep it next to the computer, you'll have a nice list of all the codes.

	17-04-2002 09:53									#26
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You'll are on Apolyton too much!

Ohhhh, I can't wait till my printer warms up. Hooo boy ohhh boy.