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[LMP-- OK. Morgan will be ticked by any sign of betrayal, but he won't attack the Novans if they simply turn around and run. If they make an attack, Morgan will react. His intelligence is his best asset, and with his intelligence he can, and probably will get to Nova at some time or another. I'll wait for you to post before I have Morgan react in any way. |
No, your not getting Joe Nova  he is a important pirate character... anyway, happy hunting, will be hard to get to him.... if the Spartans and others hasn't succeeded to get Kane, what makes you think Morgan will be able to get Joe Nova? (french keyboards are annoying)
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If the Novans fire a single shot, the orbital platforms won't be so surprised that they'll just sit there waiting. They are on full alert. It's true that they are expecting to roast some Terrans, but they'd just as well roast some Pirates, and they could do it just as easily. Your guys will get away even if they do fire a shot, but a good number of them will be whipped if they try anything fancy!  |
Is the infamous data angel pre-sentient algorithm virus used to disable and limitly control the Drone military convoy fancy enough for you? The Novans had enough time to plant their seeds on the Morganite ships  How? via communication. When i say unconventional, i do mean it. I don`t think there was enough time elapse for the Spartans and Drones to discovered how the Data Angel disabled the convoy and create ways against it... Data Angels are creative, and are in league with the pIrates.
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I'm still not happy with the convoy hijacking. I think it was just a little bit too easy. You told us to use realism and common sense, and then you pull out something about hacking an advanced computer with some hand-waving algorithm, boarding the ship with space-walking troops, and then fighting off Spartan soldiers, the best in the galaxy, to get it away.
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How is it to easy? how is it unrealistic? be specific... what is wrong with implanting a pre-sentient algorithm created by the Data Angels, known to be the best hackers and probes, on the ships via communication? Are you telling me 'mission impossible' type missions and pull it off is not possible? Besides, they had enough time to do that and for the virus to stealthily infect the computer systems of the ships. What is so wrong with the space troops??? They are Gears with thruster packs and Breach Pods were use too... what is so unrealistic with those? Pirates are known for their boarding. The Spartans may have the reputation of being the best soldiers in the galaxy, but doesn't mean they are invincible or impossible to defeat.
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Wanna talk instant travel times? How long was the Terran Alliance "blitzkrieg" in transit from Earth to Samnos?
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From Sol in general technicly... and the travel time wasn't instant, they been in travel for a two days or so..and just before they came out of FTL, TA sent their declaretion of war... what is so unrealistic about that? It is possible to figure out how long it takes to get one place to another...and jumping right into the system was dangerous as well, but it was scouted out before. And since it is not possible to detect incoming ships in FTL, they had no way to know they were coming. The blitzkrieg should only work once the attacks begins....
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yes well, I have been talking about what would happen in the Pirate intro and TA attacks for sometime before they were actually posted...didn't got any complaints then.
EDIT: hey, you did say that there wasn't much to do with the Drones, well, there is the Pirates to be delt with
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LMP-- OK...but we'll get some Pirates before the whole story ends far far in the future, right?? Two or three maybe? 
Man, if such a primative, dirty little bunch as the Novans can get away from just about anything, it looks like the Morganites, Spartans, and Drones are safe from every single thing that might possibly be considered remotely dangerous.
Franky-- Great!!! 
Mr. President is still right. I think that the Pirates are far too powerful in their own little way. While the Morganites are being batted around the Corporate Sector, the Hive is retaliating against the Protectorate, and the Spartans and Drones are loosing convoys, it looks like the Novans can do just about anything they care to and not get caught.
Guardian-- There you are again you slippery little devil!
I'd suggest just posting something quickly just to get the Peacekeepers in the story, start to develop the plot or something to that effect. Then you might want to post somethings in the datalinks about Peacekeepers and how they are run today and who the main characters are.
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I got the impression the Pirates can't be scratched. Like you said above, no-one's managed to damage Kane or Nova.
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the person themselves or their clans? if person, only other pirates and past missions they played tango got some personal injuries... but as the clan, never said anywhere they cannot or anyone never damaged them... I said no one succeeded in eliminating them... possible to cause some damage, but doesn't mean you cripple them. When a clan is being hunted down, they seperate and go all over the place...so they don't get nailed all together in one shot.
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Is it reasonable that they can cause such problems for superpowers like Sparta? Looking at the map of the Orion Arm there are very few places to hide. Where do they run to? How do the ship-stealers travel along known trade routes without being detected?
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Kane, his clan and following clans..nicknamed the Kane Bloc, is becoming more and more of a problem to a superpower like the Spartans. Pirates are not able to go fleet to fleet and take over systems....but they can cause damage and annoyances.
as for where they can hide, many places! BAC map doesn't show all of the stars within the 50ly radius of Sol, and there is also the z-axis as well. Pirates hide at the edge of systems, barren unclaimed systems, asteroid belts, barren or worser worlds, moons, around gas giants that are generally ignored, systems at the edge of human space, systems far up or far down in the z-axis, hide in independent systems, and hide in low defended faction systems...especially ones that don't have proper sensor arrays to cover the whole system, and etc... still plenty of room to hide
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What if someone were to do the same thing to the Terran Alliance or the Pirates? You'd say it was farfetched at best.
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And now Joe Nova's asked for asylum in Alliance territory. If you expect all our charges to recognize the Alliance as the victim in the war with Morgan, you should have no problem with all the factions regarding the Alliance as a rogue state that harbors buccaneers.
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The Novans didn't commit any war crimes and they are Mercenaries. Spartans/Drones won't like the Novans because captured the Drone military controlled merchant cruiser and involved in the lost of the Spartan Warlock, and hired by Kane. With the Morganites, the Novans broke their contract with them and got a better one from the Terrans...and took advantage of the previous contract which have them best of positions to pull off their next stunt. Kerensky still hasn't replied back to Nova, so no response yet concerning letting the Novans in TA territory...also, he didn't exactly informed the TA Council just yet that the TAF hired mercenaries out of the blue....which he done so he doesn't need to fight them and be able to take the morganite positions more quickly from their advantagous positions. If the Morganites have a problem with the TAF stealing their mercenaries by giving a better offer, then they can complain at the peace negociations. Anyway, Novans could easily mingle with the Belters
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Speaking of the Alliance, where did the "blitzkrieg" come from anyway? The systems are near Alliance territory and prime targets for retaliation. Do we assume Morgan has no-one to tell him these things? The Alliance charges in unsighted, macerating Morgans, blasting Believers, smashing Spartans.
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why do i keep having the impression that you didn;'t seem to have read my past posts? TAF isn't infiltrated by anyone, due to their strict security checks and polices...and the TAF is a military organization with a lot of autonomy. TAF was the one leading the TA attacks, and the one making the plans....where the member forces were kept in the dark accept as to where to rendezvous...and since Sol is crowded with military ships, hard to tell wether they are getting ready for war, as they look that way naturally. only took under a week to organize the forces, and once it is time to leave, that is when the TAF tells them where and how they will attack, and then left right after. So for morgan intel to found out is pretty low. Also, TA isn't attacking the believers or spartans.
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If I'm overly blunt I'm sorry, but from here the field does not look even. Is there any way to guard computer systems against Angel hackers? Is there any way to defend against roving pirates? Is there any way to beat back a Terran Alliance blitzkrieg? Not that I can tell. |
Sorry for being blunt and offensive, but your thinking and creative skills is pretty low. Sure there is ways to defend against hacking and viruses.... but the pre-sentient algorithm was fairly new, so naturally people will develop ways to combat it, but not right away. Data Angels as the best intelligence network...yes ther is ways to combat them, but not entirally. No one is invincible in all or single areas. As for the blitzkrieg, it is the first time ever that TA attacks Chironian systems, and the attack are pretty well organized. My impression was that Chironians think the Terrans are idiots and low tech, so gets overconfident....until TA got them, smarting them up. What is do wrong for TA to succeed? first time they do anything positive, as before it was negatives.
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LMP-- OK...but we'll get some Pirates before the whole story ends far far in the future, right?? Two or three maybe?
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The Novans will loose some ships when they attempt their next wonderful mission impossible ...like some morganite ships that hasn't gotten infected because due to low amount of communication with them....
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Man, if such a primative, dirty little bunch as the Novans can get away from just about anything, it looks like the Morganites, Spartans, and Drones are safe from every single thing that might possibly be considered remotely dangerous.
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I wouldn't say primitive... they do have the average chironian tech a long with their own develop applications like EMP missiles and effective ways to board enermy ships... they are simply under equiped, under manned, and their ships experience more wear and tear....as they don't always get full maintenance like other factions. When Kane's revolution happens, the Pirates may start getting out of their rogue state.
Also, the Wolverines have acquired some techs some time before...just still figuring out how to develop it...they succeeded with some things, and the stuff they specificly acquired in the past decade from raids and so on helped. Right now, the biggest problem Kane still has is manpower... hard to dominate most of the Pirate Faction and be able to go head-to-head with other factions if there is not alot people to crew the ships.... the contruction of ships and training isn't a problem, just need people or even droids Not only consideering Droids.... other possibilities is clones, sentient algorithms, and so on. anyway, just something the Pirates will be busy with.
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Mr. President is still right. I think that the Pirates are far too powerful in their own little way. While the Morganites are being batted around the Corporate Sector, the Hive is retaliating against the Protectorate, and the Spartans and Drones are loosing convoys, it looks like the Novans can do just about anything they care to and not get caught.
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Novans are mercenaries, and were hired by Kane to help capture that Drone convoy...which is already a risky mission. They can't simply go anywhere they want and raid anything... they have manpower to worry about, and how many ships.... Pirates only do very risky missions if they know they have a good chance. Right now, i don't see the Pirates very strong, i don't why you people are complaining so much Not like i wiping out entire fleets, or taking over large tract of territory, or blowing entire planets...
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sorry for the insult, but i do think it is insulting that i talk about what actions I will do and then have to repeat myself, as if no one was paying attention to what i said when i was talking about it. Also insulting that i seem to be attacked for nearly everything single thing in the story, that this and that is too strong, unrealistic and so on. Yes, i do it myself, but not for every single thing and personally, i see nothing wrong with my actions. terran alliance is technicly has more disadvantages then the chironian factions yet people still complain. Pirates are not that strong, yet people complain they too strong after one event and another coming out? it is insulting to me that people like putting words into my mouth, and exagerate.
If people think the pirates and TA is too strong, well, woa oh oh... look at those invincible Spartans that cannot be defeated just because they are the most elite soldiers in the galaxy, look at the drones and their alien temple, look at University and super ships and high tech stuff, look at the Protectorate that was able to hide for so long without rest of humanity discovering them and discovering a parralel bubble dimension with a disabled time machine that emittes a lot of chrono particles, oh look the believer mercenaries easily running over the stupid highly trained TAF ships.... look at the morganites able to pull off a stunt like sending a fleet right into Sol luckily not hitting anything and quickly take over, look at those Chironian ships moving about human space in hours time practically!!!
anyway,m will be away from comp this weekend...
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OK, LMP (on the pirates).
Cybergod-- Woah! Those posters! 
We dastardly Morganites tend to agree with you when it comes to Earthers.
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sorry for the insult, but i do think it is insulting that i talk about what actions I will do and then have to repeat myself, as if no one was paying attention to what i said when i was talking about it. Also insulting that i seem to be attacked for nearly everything single thing in the story, that this and that is too strong, unrealistic and so on. Yes, i do it myself, but not for every single thing and personally, i see nothing wrong with my actions. terran alliance is technicly has more disadvantages then the chironian factions yet people still complain. Pirates are not that strong, yet people complain they too strong after one event and another coming out? it is insulting to me that people like putting words into my mouth, and exagerate. |
Well, look on the bright side. At least no one has said of you that your "thinking and creative skills is pretty low."
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look at those invincible Spartans that cannot be defeated just because they are the most elite soldiers in the galaxy, |
Hmmmmm...where has Sprayber ever hinted even once that his troops are unbeatable?
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look at the drones and their alien temple, |
What, may I ask, is wrong with this plot? This is space. You are the one who is constantly introducing more alien races. What is wrong with the Temple?
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look at University and super ships and high tech stuff, |
It's the University!! The top minds anywhere!!!!
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look at the Protectorate that was able to hide for so long without rest of humanity discovering them and discovering a parralel bubble dimension with a disabled time machine that emittes a lot of chrono particles, |
Well...that time machine bit was a little odd...I must confess...
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Well, the TAF guys were surprised at Capella after all. They were outnumbered, surrounded, Morganites and Believers coming in on all sides. Technically, the odds were that all of the TAF ships would be wrecked, but quite a few did escape and are hovering around Capella creating havoc.
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Errrrrr...ummmmm...no comment!!
Sorry, but these sorts of posts don't particularly make people eager to contribute to BAC.
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Ok *deep breath* here goes,
Please, can we not have personal attacks? I do not want to see anyone leave this impressive story that we are all part of. Attacks towards authors, IMO, are unacceptable. Attacks toward faction leaders (Kessel insulting Yang, for instance) is totally acceptable.
We, as professionals, should not subject ourselves to calling each other names and so forth. But in Mellian/LMP's case, we should read her posts before we "fly-off-the-handle" and start accusing and pointing fingers.
But remember, we should not be hippocritical in our arguments. So, saying things like "So-and-so is unrealistic, I won't stand for it!" and then turn around and post something that is just as unbelievable is wrong....plain and simple.
To Address the Points Made by Mellian and covered by History Guy
The Spartans are not invincible, contrary to what people believe. They may seem hard-core, but that is how they are in the game! Their militarism in BAC represents their faction and beliefs. A disciplined military is a very dangerous foe, but they are not "unbeatable".....sorry Sprayber! Just because they are elite doesn't necessarily mean that they cannot be killed. Sure, they may be harder to get rid of, but it is possible.
The Drones and the Temple are another matter. The temple is a subplot within Mr. Presidents story. Maybe PM him would help clarify questions about it. I, for one, do not see this as a threat or unbeatable weapon. I see it as the Drone's exploring the temple and this is IMHO, a good alternative to the "war-footing" everyone seems to be on right now.
The University. In the game, the UoP is the first ones to discover "Secrets of the Human Brain" (or whatever close to this). Would they not think of new technology to use? The "super-ships" are not indestructable! Like the Spartans, it may take more effort to get rid of them, but it can be done. There is no super-omega-cannot touch me technology that they have created because, quite frankly, it is impossible. Besides, numerically planet-wise, they have one of the least amount.
Protectorate. Ok, maybe some things were not totally realistic but Lonestar has apologized for the time machine tech and will hopefully rectify his error. I do not think he thinks his faction is unbeatable. Keeping quiet all these centuries is hard, but he has changed much of his initial idea's (moving to Beta Hydri, for example) and he has been cooperative in his postings.
Believers. Faith is very strong when in the hands of the desperate. (Sorry Silence if you take this the wrong way!) Initial surprise was on the Believers. But now that surprise is gone and things should balance out.
Morgans. Coming from a Hiver this is the most difficult to say...The Morganites have not encroached into Sol Space. Capella is far off from the Terran worlds so taking it shouldn't be a problem. I have supported the Terrans taking Samnos and Naxos (Me, the author) because of S and N's relative closeness to Sol Space. Now, Sprayber and History Guy have made precautions so no more Moganite territory will be taken as easily as S and N, which is realistic enough. When you are attacked, it is natural to beef up defense after the initial loss.
Even though ppl may think the Morganites are "softies" they are not. Relatively speaking, they may be less ferocious or aggressive as a Spartan or Hiver, they are good combatants in their own right.
Pirates. I don't think they are untouchable. As Mellian says, the individual leaders may be slippery and hard to catch, but the pirate forces themselves are not. You can eliminate one part of the clan, but with resources spread all over the place, it would be rather hard to get rid of them all. It's like an ant colony. You can kill those you see but to get rid of them all, you have to go and eliminate every single one.
Lastly, the Hive. I have been (or least think I have) careful to make sure the Hive is not a "super entity". I have tried to be fair in how people perceive the Hive and its motives. Our quality is low, but quantity high. The only things that I have expressed is secrecy. This is something that gives the Hive the edge, so to speak. If we did not have secrecy, anyone could just come in with OVERWHELMING force and destroy us. The old saying "What you don't know, CAN hurt you" comes into play here. Just to say one last things about quality/quantity. It is only natural that at the top, things should be the best so these are the elite, meaning they can compete quality-wise with other factions. But since this Hiv-quality is rare, it is only reserved for special circumstances.
I just want everyone to know that if you think something should change on my behalf, just PM me! I am really accepting to other idea's (Lonestar calling Hive Prime the Throneworld for example!) and will modify my look on things.
Just so long as people consult with me first! If decisions are made on my behalf without me knowing, I tend to get upset....a character flaw I try to change.
I hope this post does not seem like an attack on anyone because it is not. I am looking at each of your arguments objectively and without bias. Lets try not to jump the gun on things and clarify our stance on events before we start going on the offensive....please?
Well, this post is bringing me down so here's one last thing.
I enjoy seeing everyone post and collaborating with each other to help make this story work. Of course there's going to be problems because everyone thinks differently. Just remember to not take offense and remind people to pay attention to what you say before making comments about them. Collaborate with each other and I'm sure we can make everything work out!
Have a good week-end everyone!
(p.s. Cyber-good graphics!)
(p.p.s. Sprayber-thanks for putting up the pre-FTL timeline, I've been looking everwhere for it!)
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Protectorate. Ok, maybe some things were not totally realistic but Lonestar has apologized for the time machine tech and will hopefully rectify his error. I do not think he thinks his faction is unbeatable. Keeping quiet all these centuries is hard, but he has changed much of his initial idea's (moving to Beta Hydri, for example) and he has been cooperative in his postings.
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Like to point out I stated from the begining that I would not use a time machine, or time machine tech that would fly off the handle of our pseudo-reality.
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Lastly, the Hive. I have been (or least think I have) careful to make sure the Hive is not a "super entity". I have tried to be fair in how people perceive the Hive and its motives. Our quality is low, but quantity high. The only things that I have expressed is secrecy. This is something that gives the Hive the edge, so to speak. If we did not have secrecy, anyone could just come in with OVERWHELMING force and destroy us. The old saying "What you don't know, CAN hurt you" comes into play here. Just to say one last things about quality/quantity. It is only natural that at the top, things should be the best so these are the elite, meaning they can compete quality-wise with other factions. But since this Hiv-quality is rare, it is only reserved for special circumstances.
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Actually, the GHE has come across to me as the "Big boy on the block", the Superpower of the story.
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First off, I apologise if I have insulted any of you fellows. Whatever it was, was definitely not my intention.
Secondly, I find it rather immature of people (glances at LMP) to be descending to using personal insults in this kind of situations.
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All right... Have been a bit preoccupied lately, sorry for that.
Btw, Cyber... If I catch the Saturnian Intelligence folks disseminating that propaganda on any Coalition facility, they'll shoot first and ask questions later on.
And, I hope no-one objects if I have SC Wakazashi get overly pissed off at the TAF - Kerensky and others? He really doesn't appreciate the TAF nosing in on everything (but hey, it's his opinion, not mine).
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sorry for the insult, but i do think it is insulting that i talk about what actions I will do and then have to repeat myself, as if no one was paying attention to what i said when i was talking about it. Also insulting that i seem to be attacked for nearly everything single thing in the story, that this and that is too strong, unrealistic and so on. Yes, i do it myself, but not for every single thing and personally, i see nothing wrong with my actions. terran alliance is technicly has more disadvantages then the chironian factions yet people still complain. Pirates are not that strong, yet people complain they too strong after one event and another coming out? it is insulting to me that people like putting words into my mouth, and exagerate.
If people think the pirates and TA is too strong, well, woa oh oh... look at those invincible Spartans that cannot be defeated just because they are the most elite soldiers in the galaxy, look at the drones and their alien temple, look at University and super ships and high tech stuff, look at the Protectorate that was able to hide for so long without rest of humanity discovering them and discovering a parralel bubble dimension with a disabled time machine that emittes a lot of chrono particles, oh look the believer mercenaries easily running over the stupid highly trained TAF ships.... look at the morganites able to pull off a stunt like sending a fleet right into Sol luckily not hitting anything and quickly take over, look at those Chironian ships moving about human space in hours time practically!!!
anyway,m will be away from comp this weekend...
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1. What you said was out of line by any stretch of the imagination
2. What people are mad about the Pirates are that you wrote the scenerio without asking for input from the people you were stealing the ships from. You just did it. You made up procedures that you thought the other factions would have again without asking. That is what upset people the most. You wouldn't appreaciate too much if a Spartan fleet went into sol and just did things without allowing you to have input. But the Pirates did.
3. IIRC History Guy and Kass actually talked about what each side would do in each if the engagements. Franky and History guy discussed what they would do. Silance actually asked what the SOGs could do.
4. Have you asked Mr. President what the alien temple story was for? Has he stated his intention of using it to destroy the Terrans?
Kass It wasn't you I was talking about
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