16-04-2002 21:32									#31
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Can someone point me to a link, that tells me what is allowed to be said and what will p*i*s*s*o*f*f* the almighty site owner? Since I can't find it, I'm hoping someone else knows where it is. Because I know I can't read minds. But it would still be nice to know these things before He goes off being the "Delete King".

	16-04-2002 21:49									#32
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first of all, here's a link to our faq(which exists on all forum pages)
http://apolyton.net/forums/misc.php?action=faq


second, please post a link to the moo3 file on the delphi forums. i'd love to see the response of the moderators there....

	16-04-2002 21:55									#33
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	16-04-2002 22:05									#34
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Your FAQ has this to say on What I Can't Say:

Insults, flames, hatred comments, spamming, advertisements are an abuse of your priviledge to post and can result to a penalty.

So have you gone against your own policy here? Or are you gonna change it on your whim (which you are allowed to do, your the OWNER)?

I'm just wondering, because as you can see above, What you've been deleting doesn't fit into this list. Or does it?

Thanks

	16-04-2002 22:11									#35
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Now here is what the FAQ says on what is allowed.

Anything, as long as it is on-topic(or off-topic in the OT forum), and it's not covered in "What can't I post?"

Since this topic is "distribution of MOO3 "Demo"", and what I've been talking about is strickly on TOPIC. And it isn't covered by the "What can't I post?".

Can you explain why, If I have been following your posted Rule's FAQ, Why your still deleting messages? I understand, you don't want people discussing getting the Demo here. But I still think you should work within your own rules, or change your rules. IMO.

thanks

	16-04-2002 22:21									#36
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from the faq

quote: It is our right to accept or not accept certain kind of discussion or certain kind of users

for the user agreement that you accepted when you registered

quote: you warrant that you will not post any messages that are obscene, vulgar, sexually-orientated, hateful, threatening, or otherwise violative of any laws.

btw, you can of course freely discuss about the "demo". you cant use this forums to distribute though

	16-04-2002 23:12									#37
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quote: Originally posted by MarkG btw, you can of course freely discuss about the "demo". you cant use this forums to distribute though

You do know you're delaying the undelayable, right Mark?

I don't understand what the fuss may be with QS/IG. Everybody should know by now that everything that is popular will end in the web sooner or later, disregarding any author rights and/or exclusivity treaties!
Like IG needs to remember anyone about author rights!

	16-04-2002 23:22									#38
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quote: Originally posted by MarkG btw, you can of course freely discuss about the "demo". you cant use this forums to distribute though

But you can do anything you want by using PM (private mail) service.

	17-04-2002 00:23									#39
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Ahh, yes, the "delaying the inevitable" defense.

It's inevitable that you're going to spend all your money, so please just give it to me now and quit delaying the inevitable.

Should I even bring up the inevitability of dying?

The owner of the board need not participate in or enable a practice of questionable legality just because to do otherwise is "delaying the inevitable". Let's think, people.

	17-04-2002 02:05									#40
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Hi moo3 fans

Normally i just read the boards
but in an occasion like this i can't get myself not
to reply

I think it's rather funny (it's "I" so it's my opinion , so don't start flaming me ;-)
that so many people are discussing if it's illegal to distribute
the "demo" and that it isn't proper to discuss about "were you can download it"
But "I" think that NOBODY can ignore the fact
that the demo is out in the open and that if someone
can actualy post a link with the download location
that there's not a single soul reading these boards that will hesitate to press the link.

greetz gigant

	17-04-2002 08:59									#41
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Quicksilvers OFFICIAL statement concerning the "Demo"
http://moo3.quicksilver.com/official/news041602.html

"while we'll be leaving any screenshots up on the forums that have been posted we will be removing any links to actual copies of the version since we don't feel it's representative of the game."

Are we allowed to post links now? Since they don't consider this an ILLEGAL copy?

I and others (you know who you are), understand that this isn't "representative of the game". But we would still like to view it for ourselves.

Just asking MarkG.

Thanks,
Jackal677

	17-04-2002 09:29									#42
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quote: Originally posted by Jackal677 Are we allowed to post links now? Since they don't consider this an ILLEGAL copy?

Whether or not QS considers distributed copies illegal isn't necessarily the deciding factor. If the magazine in question did have authorization to release it then they may consider it a violation of their distribution/sales rights if electronic copies are freely accessible ...

	17-04-2002 11:10									#43
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quote: If the magazine in question did have authorization to release it then they may consider it a violation of their distribution/sales rights if electronic copies are freely accessible ...

indeed

btw, i hear the magazine is being sold on ebay. aparrently people who got are now trying to get rid of it but it's an idea for those insist...

	17-04-2002 11:16									#44
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gigant, you're describing human nature. yes it's really something

Stormhound

quote: Ahh, yes, the "delaying the inevitable" defense. Should I even bring up the inevitability of dying?

does unemployment do good for you sig-quotes-producing brain cells?

	17-04-2002 12:25									#45
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quote: Originally posted by MarkG gigant, you're describing human nature. yes it's really something Stormhound

i knew someone was gonna see it!

	17-04-2002 12:52									#46
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it's also human nature that even the most intelligent group of people will click a flashing, blinking, blue-clored-on-red-background link that says "click here"

	17-04-2002 18:59									#47
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MarkG, I can't find that link you mentioned. Do I have to change my profile in order to see it?

	17-04-2002 19:43									#48
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what link exactly?

	17-04-2002 19:56									#49
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quote: Are we allowed to post links now? Since they don't consider this an ILLEGAL copy?

That serves as a guideline for the official forum -- that is, we won't be leaving any links to the game binaries on that forum. What you can and can't post on this forum is up to the forum terms of use and the moderators _here_.

I get the impression it's not allowed here, either, though -- at least unless and until the magazine makes it clear that people can re-distribute the game because they got it on the CD. I doubt that's going to happen, but maybe that's just me.

	17-04-2002 20:04									#50
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well, until someone can get us a PCPP official to say that re-distributing on the net what they sell you on their cd is ok, this site considers distributing the "demo" on the net as illegal and any threads/posts of people trying to exactly that will be edited/deleted.

i hope that is clear enough for some people.

	18-04-2002 00:20									#51
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quote: Originally posted by Stormhound Ahh, yes, the "delaying the inevitable" defense.

Ahh, yes, that's exactly what I meant! Thanks!

quote: Originally posted by Stormhound It's inevitable that you're going to spend all your money, so please just give it to me now and quit delaying the inevitable.

Ever heard about heritages?

quote: Originally posted by Stormhound Should I even bring up the inevitability of dying?

Well, I see a minor difference between these two subjects, because while you(we) hope you(we) won't die soon, you(we) hope you(we)'ll get the "demo" soon!

quote: Originally posted by Stormhound The owner of the board need not participate in or enable a practice of questionable legality just because to do otherwise is "delaying the inevitable". Let's think, people.

Absolutely. And I never criticized his position. Just posted my oppinion.

	18-04-2002 09:50									#52
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I plan on taking a better look this weekend at the pre-alpha "Demo". So far I'm very impressed (as a pre-alpha). It seems so much better than looking at static "Eye Candy". Before I get Flamed, I know it's buggy, hence the "Pre-Alpha" name.

Later,
Jackal677

	18-04-2002 10:12									#53
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quote: Originally posted by MarkG it's also human nature that even the most intelligent group of people will click a flashing, blinking, blue-clored-on-red-background link that says "click here"

An idea for the next spate of banner ads perhaps?

quote: I get the impression it's not allowed here, either, though -- at least unless and until the magazine makes it clear that people can re-distribute the game because they got it on the CD. I doubt that's going to happen, but maybe that's just me.

The mods here are pretty consistent. They take a fairly lenient attitude towards posting links to "abandonware" sites but any to illegal warez-type sites are removed promptly.
With all the publicity thats been generated for the magazine in question they'd be very unlikely to offer it as a free download until their sales for this issue have concluded.
If we're lucky (and their contract with IG for the release permits it) they might allow it thereafter...

	18-04-2002 11:13									#54
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