16-04-2002 00:44									#1
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The B-52H turns fifty today, and it's still kicking ass and taking names!

Happy B-day, B-52H!

	16-04-2002 00:47									#2
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It's a machine that was produced to kill human beings on a massive scale, and it was constructed AFTER the second world war. I just don't know what to think about people that are happy about such an anniversary... therefore:

HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!

	16-04-2002 01:19									#3
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quote: Originally posted by Ecthelion It's a machine that was produced to kill human beings on a massive scale, and it was constructed AFTER the second world war. I just don't know what to think about people that are happy about such an anniversary... therefore: HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!

same could be said about MtG...


oh , and it is a nice plane. Shame it has such a dirty job.

	16-04-2002 01:23									#4
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Saw an interview with an Air Force general; he said the current goal is to keep them in service until 2040. Quite amazing.

	16-04-2002 01:25									#5
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Hurray for the plane that killed 5 million people. yay.

	16-04-2002 01:31									#6
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5 million? Can you explain me that number?

	16-04-2002 01:41									#7
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While I share your point chegitz - where does that figure come from?

	16-04-2002 01:46									#8
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Koreans, Vietnamese, Laotians, Cambodians, Iraqis . . . not so many Koreans and Iraqis.

2.5 million Koreans died in the war, mostly from allied air raids.

2 million Vietanames died in the war, mostly from American air raids.

1 million Laotians died during their civil war, mostly from American air raids.

2 million Cambodians died in the war, mostly from American air raids.

etc.

If not killed directly by the air raids themsevles, then by the economic disruption (and in Cambodia, the inability of the government to cope with the disaster of US bombing led to the Khmer Rouge taking power).

It's an indiscriminate monster. It doesn't just kill people, it kills nations.


Yes, I realize the numbers don't add up. That's because lots of people were killed by other methods and other planes, but the Stratofortress was the important one.

	16-04-2002 01:48									#9
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remember: Guns don't kill people. people kill people .


*runs*

	16-04-2002 01:50									#10
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but I must agree. The expression *carpet bombing* says it all.

	16-04-2002 01:53									#11
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Dal - they did that before they had that plane. I think the names of cities like Dresden or Coventry are pretty famous. And carpet bombing was already pretty popular among warmongers like Hitler or Churchill back then.

EDIT: forgot to mention Roosevelt and Truman, of which one practised carpet bombing. The latter didn't. He preferred the quicker way of eradicating thousands of innocent lives under the pretext of hitting industrial and military facilities.

	16-04-2002 01:56									#12
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Koreans, Vietnamese, Laotians, Cambodians, Iraqis . . . not so many Koreans and Iraqis. 2.5 million Koreans died in the war, mostly from allied air raids. 2 million Vietanames died in the war, mostly from American air raids. 1 million Laotians died during their civil war, mostly from American air raids. 2 million Cambodians died in the war, mostly from American air raids. etc. If not killed directly by the air raids themsevles, then by the economic disruption (and in Cambodia, the inability of the government to cope with the disaster of US bombing led to the Khmer Rouge taking power). It's an indiscriminate monster. It doesn't just kill people, it kills nations.

quote: Yes, I realize the numbers don't add up. That's because lots of people were killed by other methods and other planes, but the Stratofortress was the important one.

So in the second part you said the plane itself did not kill those 5 millions?

Don´t get me wrong, it´s not that I´m saying it was great to bomb the people in those countries back to the stone age, but I think also an emotional (and wrong) statement does not bring back one of them, and it does not help to understand what happened there...

	16-04-2002 01:56									#13
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Maybe so, but the Stratofortress obliterates an area approximately 1 kilometre wide and 4k long. It's in its own catagory of destructiveness.

	16-04-2002 01:58									#14
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1 plane can cover an area that is 1 km wide?

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quote: Originally posted by BeBro So in the second part you said the plane itself did not kill those 5 millions?

If you add up the numbers, you will note that there are 7.5 million dead, not including unnumbered Iraqis. Five million is not a completely outrageous guestimate.

	16-04-2002 01:59									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Ecthelion 1 plane can cover an area that is 1 km wide?

Bombs spread out as they fall from 10,000+ feet up.

	16-04-2002 01:59									#17
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Yep, it is a devastating weapon. But in the end it is a political decision to use it.

	16-04-2002 02:00									#18
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"guestimate"

well crap, that sounds extremely devastating

	16-04-2002 02:02									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Ecthelion "guestimate" well crap, that sounds extremely devastating

You can put the death toll in the millions. My five million number may (or may not) be a little high. Chalk it up to a little hyperbole plus a lot of truth.

	16-04-2002 02:04									#20
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Well, that comes a little closer to 'carpet bombing' than the 'coventrizing' tactics in WWII

And they're actually celebrating the damn thing's construction?

	16-04-2002 02:26									#21
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Happy birthday to one of the nicest bombers ever built!

The B-52 is an amazing machine, despite what that commie Chegitz said. It is to maintain security in this world.

	16-04-2002 02:43									#22
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At first, I thought you were talking about the B-52 band.......but the plane.

Happy birthday!


Che; for the love of god...stop making these things up. B-52 wasnt in service during Korea and i'de put its victims somewhere about 1,000,000. We never carpet bombed any cities with it. Only enemy troops. They sure as hell arent victims. They were combantants.

	16-04-2002 02:50									#23
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Geeze Che, show some respect for a fine piece of American Workmanship.

	16-04-2002 04:07									#24
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My favorite plane since I was a kid, and still the most useful bomber in the inventory. Hapy birthday B-52, and death to the enemies of America!

	16-04-2002 04:53									#25
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The BUFF flies again!

(BUFF=Big Ugly Fat Fuc*er)

Steele

	16-04-2002 04:57									#26
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The Viet Cong used to wet there pants whn they saw a formation of 3-5 of them. The Iraqi's and serbs even more afraid. The pay loads from those babies could kill anthing in a 10 football field radius. And make people outside the area, deaf.

	16-04-2002 05:15									#27
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Hurray for the plane that killed 5 million people. yay.

Not that the people's government had anything to do with those deaths either I suppose. They way you make it out che is that the Pilots were flying around and had nothing to do and just decided to kill lots of people for the hell of it. Yeah its a bad thing. And I don't wish death on anyone after experienceing the death of someone close to me. But death is apart of the consquences. The B-52 is a tool. Nothing more. A remarkable tool without a doubt, but in the end just a piece of equipment used by men in response to other men.

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I wonder why B-1 never lives up to B-52's standard, despite being much more advanced and costly.

	16-04-2002 07:24									#29
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quote: Originally posted by Transcend I wonder why B-1 never lives up to B-52's standard, despite being much more advanced and costly.

Full of bugs.

	16-04-2002 07:27									#30
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quote: Originally posted by Transcend I wonder why B-1 never lives up to B-52's standard, despite being much more advanced and costly.

It's too expensive to risk in sustained operations, or to be used in numbers.