16-04-2002 02:31									#1
	100% unhappiness in certain cities...bug? Support Apolyton, buy Civilization 2

I'm about 1800 in a Emperor/Large World game with about 50 cities. The problem is that 2 of my cities have 100% unhappiness no matter what I do. They inevitibly starve down to pop 1.

So I thought I would abandon the cities by building workers. No problem, the cities disbanded.... BUT, the 100% unhappiness problem just switched to my next nearest city in both cases! They both starved down to pop 1 after that too.

I reloaded my game to have these "unhappiness cities" back because I don't know what to do with them. If I found a new city somewhere with a settler, there's no problem; it acts normal. These were two cities that I took from an opponent.

Any ideas? I looked through as many posts as I could to see if this had been reported but couldn't find anything. Search won't let me use 'bug' as a search term, so sorry if this has already been discussed. Any info from people experiencing similar problems would be appreciated.

Thanks,
-Apolex

	16-04-2002 02:35									#2
	Re: 100% unhappiness in certain cities...bug? Browse Apolyton AD-FREE

quote: Originally posted by Apolex ... These were two cities that I took from an opponent. ...

Probably victims of AI Draft and Pop-rush. Click (or is it right click) on the citizens to see where their unhappiness is coming from.

	16-04-2002 02:39									#3
	Re: Re: 100% unhappiness in certain cities...bug? Support Apolyton, buy Civilization: The Boardgame

quote: Originally posted by Fitz Probably victims of AI Draft and Pop-rush. Click (or is it right click) on the citizens to see where their unhappiness is coming from.

Thanks Fitz, that's a good idea, makes sense I will check that out. But why would my next nearest cities get screwed too after disbanding the bad cities?

ps: using 1.17f

Thanks
-Apolex

	16-04-2002 02:44									#4
	Re: Re: Re: 100% unhappiness in certain cities...bug? Support Apolyton, buy Alpha Centauri

quote: Originally posted by Apolex But why would my next nearest cities get screwed too after disbanding the bad cities? ps: using 1.17f

Exactly because of that. Inherited unhappiness is a feature of 1.17 - closes a loophole, or at least tries to.

	16-04-2002 03:06									#5
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Thanks for the help guys. After reading your replies I did a search on inherited unhappiness and found lots of info.

	16-04-2002 03:44									#6
	Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

Can you sell them? The AI sometimes offers high prices for worthless cities.

	16-04-2002 10:23									#7
	Put an end to popups!

Not anymore they don't. That went away with the first patch. Now it can be hard to give away cities. People were selling cities to the AI with intent of recapturing them with culture and then vicitmizing another civ with the same plot.

The inherited unhappiness was alos created to stop an exploit. People were creating cities just to pop rush units and then, to avoid the accumulated unhappiness, they would abandon the city with a pop rushed settler and plop a new city down right where the old unhappy one was.

Unfortunatly we now also inherit unhappiness from the AI's rushing which is what he was experiencing.

	16-04-2002 17:41									#8
	Increase the size of your Attachments

Did you know that if you double click on an unhappy citizen in the city view he'll tell you what is making him unhappy?

	09-01-2003 01:59									#9
	Remove this text

Since that AI is pop-rushing units, maybe make peace and attack another neighbor. The first AI is going to have to deal with the unhappiness and lower population, so they'll be vulnerable to a later attack!

	09-01-2003 04:00									#10
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quote: No problem, the cities disbanded.... BUT, the 100% unhappiness problem just switched to my next nearest city in both cases!

That's how it is supposed to work, even when creting a settler, he will remember the unhappiness the moment you build a city with it.

	09-01-2003 07:19									#11
	Re: Re: Re: 100% unhappiness in certain cities...bug? Increase the size of your Attachments

quote: Originally posted by Apolex Thanks Fitz, that's a good idea, makes sense I will check that out. But why would my next nearest cities get screwed too after disbanding the bad cities? ps: using 1.17f Thanks -Apolex

If you create a Settler in a city that is unhappy, that "discontent" will follow the Settler into the new city it creates. A game design!

PS Damn, I guess I should have finished reading the thread before repeating what was already mentioned.