03-04-2001 08:35									#1
	Unofficial Poll 1: Do you want to keep the Demographics page in Civ2? Remove this text

The question here is do you want to keep the Demographics system from Civ2. Also, if someone from the FIRAXIS teams reads this, could them explain the formulae for finding things such as birthrate, military service and land area.

	03-04-2001 08:42									#2
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Yes... I loved looking at it and getting a "feel" for the differences between the civs.

	03-04-2001 08:44									#3
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Here here!! Demographics screen is a must for the atmosphere of the game and the engrossment you feel with your civ

	03-04-2001 10:43									#4
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Absolutely!! the line graph just didnt cut it for me. i wanted to know EVERY detail of where i stood in comparision to my enemies/friends. if i wasnt #1 it gave an extra something to work for before i won the game.

	03-04-2001 10:45									#5
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Yes, by all means! Include it

	03-04-2001 14:04									#6
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I want graphs galore. It doesn't matter that I know I'm ahead by a mile - I still love seeing it on 20 different types of graph.

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	03-04-2001 15:50									#7
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Definately keep it!

""It doesn't matter that I know I'm ahead by a mile - I still love seeing it on 20 different types of graph."" Couldn't agree more.

Mind you the best way to see this is the map with terrortory changing colours as in Civ I and SMAC. For me that was the best 'Diagnostic' of your civ status. You really feel the ebb and flow of the game.

The demographics screen was a great thing too.

Pingu:

	03-04-2001 17:46									#8
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We would have some "culture" graphics, probably.

As we know, thanks to recent "leak of info", we'll have different culture level according to "kind of city improvement we build" and "how early we build it".

Just mentioning someone:
Militar (city walls, barrack)
Trade (marketplace, bank)
Religion (temple, cathedral)
Entertainment (colosseum, theatre)
Health (acqueduct, sewer system, hospital)
Food (granary)
Science (library, university)

Of course we should have more dynamic events influencing game, too: how many wars we fighted, how much we spend in research or luxury...

May be thematic maps will be added to usual "bars and lines", to better show cultural dominance over the world.
Others graphs options will be welcome, while a feature to export data to MS Excel sheets seems a bit too much

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	03-04-2001 20:36									#9
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Definetally a graph for every stat that you can compair with the other civs .

	03-04-2001 20:58									#10
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Keep it!!!

If anything, I want more graphs and statistics.

	05-04-2001 01:15									#11
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At the risk of being the odd one out here... NO, throw it away! I've managed to win at Deity level without ever looking at the demographics screen. Waste of space. Just enjoy the game!

	05-04-2001 02:58									#12
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I for one like the Demographics list in Civ2 and have used it many times while I play the game - So I hope they keep it or have something similiar to it in Civ3.

	05-04-2001 06:17									#14
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Cyclotron makes a good point. The dempgraphics screen adds to the overall civ experience...it's not really a tool you employ to win the game!!

	05-04-2001 08:14									#15
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Let me make my opinion simple and clear -- keep the demographics window! Hell -- improve on it!

	05-04-2001 08:52									#16
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It's cool. But I could take it or leave it.

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	06-04-2001 10:02									#19
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Definately.

	06-04-2001 19:43									#20
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Yes keep it, but include all civs rankings not just your own.

	07-04-2001 12:32									#23
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Well keep it, but...

Base the results only on other civs that you currently have an embassy with. Another reason to establish one.
[This message has been edited by My Wife Hates CIV (edited April 07, 2001).]

	09-04-2001 11:04									#25
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Keep It!

I enjoy looking at the demographics screen, and for throne room lovers, it's a good way to gauge the next upgrade.
but then again, I listen to my high council, too...

I know there's a bunch of hardcores out there who don't look at the throne room, listen to the highcouncil or check their advisors. The never watch the wonder movies or spend time looking at their spaceship.
But I do. I think it's fun.
Don't like the heralds, though.

	11-04-2001 01:40									#26
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I think this is one of the most original features in Civilisation
but I think a message window should pop up when your ranking changes
in one of the demographic statistics, to show when you've become most
productive for example.
Also why not have more stats in the demog. screen, like

Biggest metropolises -for having lots of large cities
Best infrastructure- for having good city improvements-banks,supermarkets,library/schools etc and road networks
Most popular Tourist destination-tourist industries are a big reveune earner
Best Movie Produced(well maybe not, but it would be fun)

I also think some kind of historical RECORDER is vital, to show the history
of your game at the end (game over).. as a text file maybe like civ1 had- I seem to remember.

Dragon/Admiral PJ
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(my first post to this forum)

	11-04-2001 01:41									#27
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I think this is one of the most original features in Civilisation
but I think a message window should pop up when your ranking changes
in one of the demographic statistics, to show when you've become most
productive for example.
Also why not have more stats in the demog. screen, like

Biggest metropolises -for having lots of large cities
Best infrastructure- for having good city improvements-banks,supermarkets,library/schools etc and road networks
Most popular Tourist destination-tourist industries are a big reveune earner
Best Movie Produced(well maybe not, but it would be fun)

I also think some kind of historical RECORDER is vital, to show the history
of your game at the end (game over).. as a text file maybe like civ1 had- I seem to remember.

Dragon/Admiral PJ
Peter J T
(my first post to this forum)