17-04-2002 08:17									#1
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Apparently people are winning the space race before Jesus walked the Earth...on diety no less.

How do you do it?

On Regent, the best I've ever done is win the race in 1960's. I always randomize everything on a huge map.

How do you guys run your uber science program.

Aside...

On a huge map, has anyone every won by complete domination?

I find the Space Race to be the least fulfilling but I haven't won any other way. Again, on a huge map, has anybody ever won by culture or diplomacy? What time period do you win in?

Thanks much.

	17-04-2002 08:44									#2
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Unless they go into the editor and reduce the minimum research time to 1, there is now way it is possible.

	17-04-2002 08:57									#3
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I doubt anyone's launched much before about 1000AD, even on Deity. The AI gets a research bonus on higher levels, which makes tech progress faster. The Industrial Age can be reached in the BC's occasionally, but definitely not the Modern Age.

I've triggered Domination on a Huge Pangaea map around 500AD, Emperor level. Haven't played out a Deity game to that point, but it would take a little longer at least. Probably around 700AD.

Diplomacy is by far the easiest way to win on a Huge map. Just make sure to build the UN and stay on everyone's good side. 700AD maybe earliest on Deity.

Culture isn't too hard either, you can build hundreds of cities. Just build a temple and library in each, and 100k will be there in no time. 1000AD would again be a good target date.

	17-04-2002 08:58									#4
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in my current game on monarch, i have tanks and mech infantry and it is almost 1000 A.D. This is using the balancer mod. You have to remember, the year generaly does not matter as long as you are not way infront of ur opponents. If they are close to you then it can still be challenging

	17-04-2002 09:02									#5
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I haven't won a Civ III game full stop. The late game tedium is too much for my Celeron 366.

	17-04-2002 09:02									#6
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I have the dubious honour of having completed a domination victory on a huge map with 1.07f. One worker at a time, time after time... Heh, fun. At least I didn't need to build and manage Fighters. Well, I did anyways, but they didn't really work. Their paint gleamed though.

	17-04-2002 10:25									#7
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I have won by domination several times playing on a huge pangea map, 16 civs, usually play on Monarch or Emperor.

even on my p4 1.7 it slows way down, at least until I have picked off all but a couple of the others. Actually won one like this last night, one of my more stirring victories, but alas, it crashed during the replay, so if i want, i will have to replay the entire last turn, which would take quite some time, moving hundreds of modern armor etc to attack.

	17-04-2002 21:25									#8
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The higher the level is the faster the tech rate goes. Deity is insanly fast because of the AI. Apparently that 1.21 fixed that.

Spec.

	17-04-2002 21:45									#9
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I'm trying to win a domination victory on a huge map in Warlord... But it's 1959 AD and I haven't finished researching Radio yet, so....

	17-04-2002 22:48									#10
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I always seem to be about 100 to 150 years "early," if you put the advances in their real-life historical context (i.e., industrial age in 1600)... a spaceship in BC, though, would be a real feat!

	17-04-2002 22:56									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Spectator The higher the level is the faster the tech rate goes. Deity is insanly fast because of the AI. Apparently that 1.21 fixed that. Spec.

Also the larger the map the faster the techs are researched. I computed total tiles / tech rate for each map size and this is what I got:

Tiny 60
Small 71
Standard 83
Large 93
Huge 106

Even allowing for the slightly smaller map sizes under 1.21f the techs should come faster on the larger maps. Techs cost 4 times as much on a Huge map as on a Tiny one but there is 7 times more land area to produce beakers on the Huge map.

	17-04-2002 23:06									#12
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Can't we adjust the tech rate by a proportional amount to the bonus of the AI/difficulty level? Wouldn't that effectively make the game progress at the same rate per level? I wondered the effect of this & wanted to try it out sometime. Has anyone tried something like this?

	18-04-2002 04:18									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Peppy Apparently people are winning the space race before Jesus walked the Earth...

I just had this image of Jesus beating Neil Armstrong to the moon. I wonder what he would have said.

BTW, NOBODY has ever launched a space ship before Jesus.

I also wish we could have a cool screen when the spaceship lands, as we did with Civ 2.

	18-04-2002 05:47									#14
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Jesus? Is he some kind of special leader unit? What does he do? Is he that peaceful leader people have though about adding?

	18-04-2002 06:08									#15
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But how is everybody able to have so much tech reseached by 1000AD?

	18-04-2002 06:14									#16
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The AI trades tech like mad on 1.17f, which causes devaluation. Once an AI gets a tech, it immediately trades it to almost everyone, thus people end up in the modern age at 1k ad. the more the ai traedes, the cheaper it is for you to buy outright

	18-04-2002 11:34									#17
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quote: Apparently people are winning the space race before Jesus walked the Earth.

I've never seen or heard of this. It reminds me of something there used to be in SMAC, which I call "brown-nosing", where people over-micro-manage their empire to get obscene amounts of technology within fifty turns of the start. I'm sure you can do something similar in this game, though I've never done it myself.

	18-04-2002 13:18									#18
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I like Micromanagement