18-04-2002 05:44									#1
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Write your favorite wonder, and then under, NOT ON THE SAME LINE, post why. I will tally them up. Vote for 1 Great Wonder and 1 Small Wonder.
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	18-04-2002 06:04									#2
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Theory of Evolution
It gives me all the techs I don't want

Pentagon
Adds 1 unit to the armies I don't have

=)

	18-04-2002 06:23									#3
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Okay

Great Wonders-
1.Theory of Evolution-1
I'll only put in ones with votes

Small Wonders

1. Pentagon-1

	18-04-2002 09:14									#4
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GW
Sistine Chapel
Great for controlling your people

SW
Forbidden Palace
Non need to explain why

Saluti

	18-04-2002 09:43									#5
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Sistine Chapel
Chathedrals are a must have if you plan on playing any sort of Builder game. Why not make them better? A wonder so good it reminds me of the amazing effects we got with Secret Projects in SMAC (I'm thinking the Virtual World in particular).

Forbidden Palace
What other wonder doubles (sometimes triples!) the economic output of your empire? Most of my games revolve around fighting wars to get a GL to rush this baby. Choosing its location is wonderfully difficult.


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	18-04-2002 14:52									#6
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Great Library
Sometimes this gives me a motherlode of tech, and it gives masses of culture. I often get it w/o competition too.

Sistine Chapel
See Giovanni August

	18-04-2002 16:41									#7
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Sistine Chapel
see above

FP
no need to explain

	19-04-2002 19:58									#8
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Ok, perhaps thread 101 on the topic of wonders (there is a very recent one on general --> what's the greatest great wonder ... )

Don't blame you Alec, but people sometimes better first look around before doing the same things over and over again, especially at the same moment.

(no more preaching now )

Wonders? Civ2 was great in wonders (I always built many of them on deity), but in civ3? On emperor/deity I just don't THINK about building them myself (very, very, very difficult and requires long, careful and risky planning).

the only times wonders matter are when you're able to capture them, have a Great Leader or have a tech lead (then you can build yourself, but a tech lead on higher levels means that most/all wonders will have been built already ... sigh.)

I think high difficulty levels are a must be, but only if all game options remain available. IMO wonder building is not an option anymore on emp/deity (regardless the very occasional wonder you'd be able to build yourself).

Do we have to tell them (FIR) really everything?

AJ

	19-04-2002 21:04									#9
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I know theres alot like this. Im just trying to take a polll of what people think their favorite (not necessarily best) wonder is, and im counting it up instead of having everyone say

"Well i like great library and bach's, but the lighthouse sucks"

Here you get 1 vote for a small wonder, one vote for a great. No voting for multiple ones, no negative votes


Great Wonders-
1. Sistine Chapel-3
2. Theory of Evolution-1

Small Wonders
1. Forbidden Palace-3
2. Pentagon-1


I'll only put in ones with votes

	25-04-2002 02:56									#10
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Great:
Forbidden Palace

Small:
Pentagon or Leo's(not sure if this is great or small...)



In light of the below post:

Great: Leo's

Small: FP

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	25-04-2002 03:08									#11
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The FP is a small wonder, while Leo's is great.

	25-04-2002 06:03									#12
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Great:
Chapel
Got to key my people happy

Small:
Ironworks
Surprisingly enough, if you're lucky, this makes a city great for churning out units.

	25-04-2002 06:22									#13
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Hah, Ok. Thanks for the correction. I'm just a "Silly English wiper of other peoples bottoms." -Monty Python, Search/Quest for the Holy Greil.

	25-04-2002 18:34									#14
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Colossus:

Extra trade is GOOOD!

Intellegence Agency:

Spies are kewl.

	25-04-2002 19:08									#15
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Adam Smith
Sistine allow me not to build coliseums. Economy: 2 gps
Adam Smith allows me not to pay for marketplaces, banks, harbours, Airports,... Economy: errr, ... much.
And I may build banks in cities producing as few as 6 gold with benefit.

Heroic Epic
Well, no, it's FP of course, but it seems too abvious to me.
FP doesn't count: it's simply a must.

	25-04-2002 21:57									#16
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Sun Tzu's Art of War
veteran units are essential for war, also become elite faster.

Forbidden Palace
save it until you conquer a nation and then eliminate all that extra corruption.

	26-04-2002 06:05									#17
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Great Wonders-
1. Sistine Chapel-4
2. Theory of Evolution-1
2. Leo's Workshop-1
2. Colossus-1
2. Adam Smith's Trading Co.-1
2. Sun Tzu's Art of War-1

Small Wonders
1. Forbidden Palace-5
2. Pentagon-1
2. Iron Works-1
2. Intelligence Agency-1
2. Heroic Epic-1

	26-04-2002 07:51									#18
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Adam's company

-gotta love the general store pic, you can just picture 8 ugly hookers chilling outside it

FP

-Hey, when you've seen 3 cities flip 3 turns after building this thing, it's friggin worth it

	26-04-2002 11:06									#19
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Great Lib:

The only way to keep up in Deity.

FP:
Crucial for first couple patches, still very important. This placement determines your sucess more than any other thing, IMHO

	27-04-2002 02:48									#20
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Great Wonders-
1. Sistine Chapel-4
2.. Adam Smith's Trading Co.-2
3. Theory of Evolution-1
3. Leo's Workshop-1
3. Colossus-1
3. Sun Tzu's Art of War-1
3 Great Library-1

Small Wonders
1. Forbidden Palace-7
2. Pentagon-1
2. Iron Works-1
2. Intelligence Agency-1
2. Heroic Epic-1

	27-04-2002 03:42									#21
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GW
Adam Smith's Co.
saves bling bling, which can have a huge effect on the game

SW
Wall Street
adds a ton of bling bling when placed in the proper city

	27-04-2002 04:52									#22
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GW
I don't have a favorite anymore... it used to be The Pyramids, but then I realized cities grow more than fast enough anyway. Then the Great Library, but now I just beat techs out of AI civs anyway.

For the purposes of the poll, I would say Sun Tzu... not so much for the ease of having barracks everywhere, but rather so that I can conquer a city, heal, and then move on.

SW
Heroic Epic

	27-04-2002 07:29									#23
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Pyramids. (I'm a chronic poprusher)

FP

	27-04-2002 12:24									#24
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Great:
Sun Tzu - nice free buildings

Small:
I'll be boring and go with the FP.

	27-04-2002 18:39									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Carver GW Adam Smith's Co. saves bling bling, which can have a huge effect on the game SW Wall Street adds a ton of bling bling when placed in the proper city

I don't think it matters where you place Wall Street.

	27-04-2002 19:45									#26
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IFRC the Wall Street only give you interest based on how much money you have saved up, and only up to $1000. I think the maximum it can add per turn is $50... which is a paltry sum considering the age that you get the wonder in.

	29-04-2002 19:50									#27
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GW: Great library
To stay even with AIs in science when playing in deity.
SW: Forbidden city
To reduce corruption

	02-05-2002 01:36									#28
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GW - Colossus edges out others, just for the early moolah advantage

SW - SDI (gotta stop da nukes)

	02-05-2002 03:42									#29
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quote: Originally posted by Skanky Burns IFRC the Wall Street only give you interest based on how much money you have saved up, and only up to $1000. I think the maximum it can add per turn is $50... which is a paltry sum considering the age that you get the wonder in.

Getting a free 50gpt (once Wall Street has been built) is nothing to scoff at, unless you're somehow generating way more money in your games than I am. 50gpt usually allows me to reduce my research by 1-3 turns, or gives some more negotiating power in diplomacy.

While I don't think Wall Street is better than FP (nor Iron Works, if you can grab it), it still ranks higher than most Great Wonders on my "to do" list.


Dominae

	02-05-2002 06:12									#30
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Great Wonder=

Sistine Chapel

Small Wonder=

Forbidden Palace