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Arrian
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Kneel before Grog!
Jul 2001
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Natan,
Well, the clique thing probably varies widely depending on the university or college. In my experience, there just wasn't all that much mixing. Some, but not much.
I don't think having those houses for the groups is a really bad thing. I just think it, in combination with the early orientation thing, had one bad side-effect.
It's a tough thing to balance, I think. On the one hand, I understand why a particulary ethnic minority might want an organization/house of their own - a place they can retreat to, a safe haven. Then again, I'd like to think that things have changed over the last few decades, and that racism is declining. At least as far as my friends go, I think that's true. If I'm right, then I think the special handling of ethnic minorities on campuses is overprotective and possibly counterproductive. On the other hand, if I'm wrong, then well... I'm wrong. 
-Arrian
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Natan
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New York State
Sep 2000
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quote:
Originally posted by Arrian
Natan,
Well, the clique thing probably varies widely depending on the university or college. In my experience, there just wasn't all that much mixing. Some, but not much.
I don't think having those houses for the groups is a really bad thing. I just think it, in combination with the early orientation thing, had one bad side-effect. |
Certainly I can see the danger of encouraging people to spend the entirety of their college years with people who look like they do.
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It's a tough thing to balance, I think. On the one hand, I understand why a particulary ethnic minority might want an organization/house of their own - a place they can retreat to, a safe haven. Then again, I'd like to think that things have changed over the last few decades, and that racism is declining. At least as far as my friends go, I think that's true. If I'm right, then I think the special handling of ethnic minorities on campuses is overprotective and possibly counterproductive. On the other hand, if I'm wrong, then well... I'm wrong.
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I'm sure it differs from college to college, but my feeling is that the houses may be a secondary factory in all this. If people don't feel comfortable for whatever reason mixing with people of different ethnicities, then they won't and you can't really force them to. If people do feel comfortable mixing, then there's only so much segregated housing is going to do to prevent it.
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Evil_Eric_4
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I am responding to the very first post only.
Hoek-
Just to frame this reply- I am a 36 year old American ,born and raised here(in USA) of German descent.
I take it by the way you worded your first 2 sentences that you are completely "americanised" like me.
So I too find it hard to understand. However --of all the european countries I tend to find myself wanting to side with the Germans more than all the others(and thats hard to do when you launch 2 world wars).
Why? I'm not sure.
Maybe It's cause they never burned down my capital--or maybe it is something more subtle at work here.
I would venture to guess that if Holland where in a fight for her life you would probably sympathise with the Dutch no matter what the circumstances. It seems only natural.Unfortunately.
Maybe someday, with the huge advances in computer tech, the world will become truly globalised and borders will mean nothing.
In the meantime I hope you are exagerating your descriptions of American academics.I haven't been in school for a long time so I don't know -but what you describe is definately a step backward.
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They don't need to put people in internment camps. Anyone who truly believes the government doesn't monitor just about anything is naive. According to Yahoo! magazine, every piece of data that is sent over the internet is intercepted by the NSA. Also, every word you speak on the telephone is sent through computers and key words are red flagged.
What people forget is that the United States wasn't really a superpower pre-WWII. Most of the Japanese spies gave information like the location of key ships and targets. Now, that information would be irrelevant because the US military can detect the location of any threats. There is no way a fleet of carriers would get anywhere remotely close to attacking the United States in this day and age. In fact, if any of the countries that the US considered a threat started building carriers on a large scale, the US would probably strike first.
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Hoek
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of knock-you-off-your-ass chili
Jan 1970
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The goal shouldn't be to destroy differences, but instead, to identify the "good" differences in terms of identification and the "bad" ones. Ethnicity, which, in reality, is simply PERCEIVED biological linkages, is a poor criteria for identification. I framed my post by declaring my ethnicity to demonstrate that despite my Dutch extraction, I do not identify with the "Dutch people" in terms of ethnicity. If the Dutch were in a fight for their life, I would not sympathize with them any more than any other country in a fight for its life. Canada, Australia, and the other countries mentioned are not based on ideology. The only other country that the world has ever seen that nationalism is based on political ideology instead of ethnicity has been the Soviet Union. It was a multiethnic empire as well, and it defined itself in terms of communism, not ethnicity.
I come from a very liberal, diverse town, in which people had little choice but to be friends with people of different ethnicity. It's college that fosters ethnic identity here.
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