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Rust is offline Rust
Chieftain
Alberta
Nov 2001
time: 22:19
  Old Post 23-04-2002 02:41
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Civ3 AI does Rock Got spare money?

I just have to make note of this point, after playing Heroes IV awhile. And definitely more so after 1.21.

cyclotron7 is offline cyclotron7
King
Drowning in Schnitzel
Jan 2001
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  Old Post 23-04-2002 03:32
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Point taken.

Coracle is offline Coracle
Prince

Feb 2002
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  Old Post 23-04-2002 04:09
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So why does it have to cheat so outrageously to be "competitive"??

Why is is so dumb it sends settlers wandering into my territory after I raze a city even when that civ is at war with me?? I wipe out his settlers time after time.

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Emperor
listening too long to one song
Mar 2002
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  Old Post 23-04-2002 05:00
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Regardless of the flaws in the AI, it is still much better than the AI in the previous civ games. of course there are always going to be nitpicky problems with the AI, but what game is perfect? its obvious from a cost benefit analysis that firaxis has to make a game that people will buy. Could they make a better AI? Probably. Would people buy the $300 civ game? Probably not. I don't expect perfection from a 2001-2002 game. I just expect a game that gives a good challenge and is entertaining for a while, such as Civ3.

Jaguar is offline Jaguar
King
Montgomery County, MD
Apr 2000
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  Old Post 23-04-2002 05:30
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it doesn't rock. but its a vast improvement from Civ2

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Emperor
listening too long to one song
Mar 2002
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  Old Post 23-04-2002 05:44
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Civ3 rocks Saddam Hussein's ass

Inverse Icarus is offline Inverse Icarus
Emperor
flying too low to the ground
May 2001
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i'll give you that jaggie, it is a step up from civ2, but it is far from rocking.

and i should know, i 0wn r0x0rz.org don't i? lol

Capt Dizle is offline Capt Dizle
King

Sep 1999
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  Old Post 23-04-2002 07:49
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The AI is better huh? Okay. It was accomplished by dumbing down the gameplay and code routines that cause interminable waits.

If the AI is so good then why all the cheats?

AI by its nature isn't good. I will have to say that I have several times noticed the AI do some really neat things. But, there are only a handful of tricks. It quickly gets predictable.

People only think they want human level AI. If they got it, in a normal game they would win only one of eight times (or one of sixteen, lol).

How long would people play that?

Grrr is offline Grrr
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of Hamilton, New-Zealand.
Dec 2000
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They wouldn't they'd cheat, like the human AI would .

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I eat my own poop
Dec 1999
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  Old Post 23-04-2002 09:54
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Come on, admit that the first time you played this game, the AI gave you a bit of a shock, especially when the alliance wars started.

LaRusso is offline LaRusso
King
appendix of Europe
May 2001
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it does good amphibious invasions, cuts off my resources, defends nicely, nothing short of a full scale invasion will finish it off. start a dodgy war and you will soon end up in a war of attrition, you really have to be careful and do not leave your fast charging units exposed.....

Skanky Burns is offline Skanky Burns
Deity
Skanky Bastard Quartermaster
Aug 2001
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  Old Post 23-04-2002 13:45
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The Civ 3 AI is an order of magnitude better than previous versions of AI, including the Civ 2 AI.

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So why does it have to cheat so outrageously to be "competitive"??


Wasn't it you complaining about Firaxis removing the "multi" cheat from the game?

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Deity
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Aug 2001
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Consistency is the bugbear of...

Or is it that bugbears are seldom consistent?

I lost track.

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King
U.S.A.
Dec 2001
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Put yourself in a losing position, such as starting in a jungle, or not using city packing on Deity. Now, defend yourself against the onslaught of units. No gold, no tech, no friends. Generally, the AI appears stupid when it is losing, and visa versa.

Once you've wiped out their armies and infrastructure, yes, it does appear rather stupid to defend cities with spearmen against advanced tanks. But what choice do they have? Most players will subjugate them, enslave them, or raze them if they surrender, so fight on they must.

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Warlord
Europe
Feb 2002
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Ancient Era A.I. is really strong and Middle Ages are still OK. Late game is spoiled by artificial dumbness. In comparison with Civ2 the better pathfinding is notable. There are also a lot of design changes to favor the A.I.(e.g. the permission of killer stacks, the corruption model and the ineffectiveness of bombard units) which make the A.I. look stronger.
The A.I. bonuses at Deity are extreme.

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